From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 30558 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2023 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 24 Sep 2023 00:09:39 -0000 Received: from m42-5.mailgun.net ([69.72.42.5]) by 9front; Sat Sep 23 20:02:52 -0400 2023 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mg.wilsonb.com; q=dns/txt; s=krs; t=1695513772; x=1695520972; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: MIME-Version: Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: From: From: Subject: Subject: To: To: Date: Sender: Sender; bh=z0vhvFsmwVP6bStjj5JrQqYR6KuvGxqf830dQNElZDM=; b=EzNh7d3xzbmRknwNx75wvkwVcnnHOEjuMVH0KOuMYovl2xjoXF70u0a/qT36o3jy6dvLSTNKtEniEmQHZ5IDVB3+2z4dw1vAoKOX+KHqDUWGyE9A9ILnfk89KwTOaO+WC1hNMAA5QU4huI7TVNKEHWoErSGATQAkOFE+JTG4qweu/ziSHYRefSSsMmxjPp2yUP5rDOc1aBoj6CyLy76KOlqFoHWyuqBWHG0Klnyo/Cpj9UV0btMOq0HQzsFRvqzS9JIIDYqm83rSHrJ+GXzuOMGeOiq6LXqA3TMGXrCk1eFYcc8vUQnHSaqqr3L22ICj3bZz9ch4Xdimjw6i0Hgz5Q== X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 69.72.42.5 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyIyOGJkOSIsIjlmcm9udEA5ZnJvbnQub3JnIiwiMDg1NDdhIl0= Received: from wilsonb.com (wilsonb.com [104.199.203.42]) by e0f7fc442b7a with SMTP id 650f7cacd62dcfacb62dfba0 (version=TLS1.3, cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256); Sun, 24 Sep 2023 00:02:52 GMT Sender: ieliedonge=wilsonb.com@mg.wilsonb.com Received: from localhost (i114-182-69-148.s41.a007.ap.plala.or.jp [114.182.69.148]) by wilsonb.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 33EECA0E88 for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 24 Sep 2023 00:02:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wilsonb.com; s=201703; t=1695513770; bh=z0vhvFsmwVP6bStjj5JrQqYR6KuvGxqf830dQNElZDM=; h=Date:To:Subject:From:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=vNK0TmWrS33uB7f3dijZ6MTvSafd3bZBuoppfNW1nSPoIkGR6dRNAu8IEdBTkCn0k XM36hcxAWxic1dsVIcl87mKChjVla2+1oxydNjH9askdN1FeqgCRKhdRjAPJYPTFe0 NPcaGG8lH1L6S6w1nurBFDiDkkQ4vwO8QqVcpdokB5bhoFDbWK1EhB2CkxsFofiMOS kwLw36BRfsEpf8XXG4Epyr7NZffWXJZDw9u/E/jzLAA1ndAXX5vTKmicVPSfQKJ1Ws fjSo3siTpQZlcqB5sJ9dog55Z9E3SAgrACOldeNDf3s3/LuXoNxE8FN+zyZI2G62ZI f+KoLk7/WACh5VGiIVreRHGKYfHcsOLi1Pyh0YjjCD1fY+wZTEATpfocXrpvEpoN3d UfJOetUDDoUXFmNYsSXAHKO+x/yKrjrXHacrvlomQdiVhzCZoZAyjEvRUwez34R3hB FNWCM8QXCi2Zx8tJGiIxe1S4pl5dw1MO11tkaMgg2hdMrUu7fKR6q/TgRwXe1QmXbA dLDdxR2p37ydevRU63kHDOLkDQ5X9rwDbGJdBgwG3hJ6W/R9z4lBCxLnS1NbnsmyBa pZpOokW+znuEsWU8UE8vR08EA3GrdP8WRynX32FAV0kOiZM79fSUrr6BglfmZ1wOyo aBpdmBFdK8uuihIKr9r+YwRA= Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2023 09:02:39 +0900 To: 9front@9front.org From: ieliedonge@wilsonb.com References: <2PMKK52L7NF1M.1Y7PJ3YC0KRRU@wilsonb.com> <6d32598d-792b-432a-ac9a-86fe98f8f32f@posixcafe.org> In-Reply-To: <6d32598d-792b-432a-ac9a-86fe98f8f32f@posixcafe.org> Message-Id: <3EGUDWACGKEBO.32U3AZ0SD3RKA@wilsonb.com> User-Agent: mblaze/1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: self-healing shared strategy GPU realtime-java framework Subject: Re: [9front] Questions about community dynamics Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk Jacob Moody wrote: > On 9/23/23 17:53, ieliedonge@wilsonb.com wrote: > > How do things generally get decided around here: e.g. patches merged, m= eetings > > planned, etc? > >=20 > > I'm mostly just trying to get a feel for the de facto social dynamics h= ere. > > After lurking on the mailing list for a while, there are obviously a lo= t of > > highly intelligent, curious, and thoughtful people. At the same time, I= also > > see some of loud voices that drown out the former. > >=20 > > Is there any kind of facilitation that goes on in the background? >=20 > Can you expand on what you mean by this? Sure. Mainly, I am just aware that a mailing list potentially captures only= a tiny slice of a community's communications. I am wondering about the holist= ic dynamics here, both explicit and implicit. For example, some communities operate in a somewhat laissez faire manner, letting whatever happens happens. Other communities have explicit moderatio= n. Others still have strong enough rapport that people just naturally get led = into cooperative, helpful communication over time. An element of the question is me wondering what 9front's values are. I see = a problem with the habits of some on this mailing list but maybe that's just = my uncalibrated view as an outsider. It's probably obvious that I'm also thinking about the recent discussion ar= ound a sed patch. As an onlooker, I see a few people giving a thumbs up and one loud, aggressive voice simply yelling that it's a worthless patch, without articulating anything helpful. As someone who'd like to eventually contribu= te, that kind of thing is pretty discouraging. So my meaning of "facilitation" here is asking both whether such a sentiment is part of the 9front community and if so whether there is any = kind of mechanism to make things more welcoming. >=20 > >=20 > > Personally, I don't have the time or energy to deal with highly combata= nt > > collaborators and am pretty sure I'm not alone in that sentiment. We ge= t enough > > of that kind of thing at work! :P > >=20 > > I really like playing around with Plan 9 and would be sad if the commun= ity > > really is as unwelcoming as has felt so far on the mailing list. The ML= is > > obviously a particular cross-section, so maybe I'm just misreading the = room? > >=20 > > Anyway, happy hacking!