From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.0 required=5.0 tests=PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32336 invoked from network); 16 Aug 2021 00:16:54 -0000 Received: from 1ess.inri.net (HELO sysinfo.9front.org) (216.126.196.35) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 16 Aug 2021 00:16:54 -0000 Received: from 5ess.inri.net ([107.191.111.177]) by 1ess; Sun Aug 15 19:30:01 -0400 2021 Received: from smtpclient.apple ([104.59.85.219]) by 5ess; Sun Aug 15 18:35:41 -0400 2021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Stanley Lieber Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Message-Id: <4A9C8B02-3764-45FB-A31F-2606EDF35E57@stanleylieber.com> References: <20210815221849.0f1023e3@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <20210815221849.0f1023e3@gmx.de> To: 9front@9front.org Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:35:39 -0400 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18G82) List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: stateless CSS factory-oriented plugin Subject: Re: [9front] PATCH: click-to-focus in fgui Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk the biggest problem with our various attempts to create documentation is tha= t nobody does (a complete job of) the work. the fqa started as a google code= wiki with random contributions by random people, all of whom abandoned the e= ffort. eventually i recovered some of those pieces, edited them into somethi= ng coherent, and gradually expanded it all into a book. i didn=E2=80=99t ask= for permission, but i did try to provide enough historical background and l= inks to outside resources to help a newcomer like i used to be figure out ho= w it all fits together. i didn=E2=80=99t always succeed. for example, fqa6 a= nd fqa7 are especially weak. that=E2=80=99s because i don=E2=80=99t know wha= t i=E2=80=99m talking about. but nobody else is picking up the baton, so i j= ust keep churning out new editions of the same book. to make matters worse, 9= front has has made enough changes (file system, auth, usb, wifi, etc.) that n= on-9front documentation is sometimes more confusing than helpful. everyone a= lways complains about all of this but nobody ever fixes it. the last iterati= on of this dance rehearsal resulted in the creation of wiki.a-b.xyz (which i= instantly mirrored at wiki.9front.org). at that time we (the 9front inner c= ircle, aka the guys wearing those plague masks in EYES WIDE SHUT) discovered= a couple of people had, unbeknownst to us, been adding things to the old wi= ki on code.9front.org (which had been setup during a previous dance rehearsa= l and ignored by the people who demanded it exist =E2=80=94 you see, this is= far from our first dance, that=E2=80=99s why we get to wear the funny hats)= . they were mad because nobody had acknowledged their efforts. okay, dr. bil= l hartford and his bewildered sense of entitlement. he wasn=E2=80=99t exactl= y the villain of the piece. it sucks that people suck at arguing. the solution is to write the document t= hat=E2=80=99s missing and make it available to the community. don=E2=80=99t b= e confused by the 9front brand; it=E2=80=99s just a rip-off of the old saul b= ass bell system logo that i use to extract money and prestige from the plan 9= community. if you see something that can be improved, by all means, DO SO, a= nd share it so that others may benefit from your hard work. rest assured, you will be denigrated and ridiculed for your efforts.* sl * seemingly arbitrary contrarianism serves the purpose of sharpening our thi= nking. don=E2=80=99t get mad, just make more sense. > On Aug 15, 2021, at 6:05 PM, Eckard Brauer wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >> to be fair, it also makes the same people angry. >=20 > To maybe end that unlucky story, if "it" in your sentence references to > the last paragraph, it made me angry in a sense of "why the fuck didn't > I know of that?", simply frustration of having no idea what good and > probably well accepted reasons lead to such consensus. Even if i didn't > agree with hiro at a given point, I (mostly) enjoy reading his > statements (and those of many or all the ppl. here). >=20 > Sure I know well of the documentation dilemma(s) from experience in a > few companies i worked for. And continuously trying to learn enough of > P9 to better understand and getting to some productivity at all, treat > it as a stupid over-reaction... a friend told me at a time that > "occasionally your (my) blasting fuse is short". >=20 > That's been more than enough on the topic from me. >=20 > Eckard >=20