From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C341424C29 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2024 22:12:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from srv1.howhill.co.uk ([85.95.36.12]) by 9front; Sun Aug 4 16:09:21 -0400 2024 Received: from [192.168.1.223] (Ellychnia-corrusca.howhill.co.uk [192.168.1.223]) (Authenticated sender: willow) by srv1.howhill.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D53081AE726 for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:09:18 +0100 (BST) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 srv1.howhill.co.uk D53081AE726 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=howhill.com; s=default; t=1722802159; bh=w+tWXEi+PqFJawRzSTOUxnXkOJk8CzXX/3oL7COiiOk=; h=Date:Subject:To:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=FPCbsxY3/o/F3LT3bsQIdGhUeyt5ZQu9j3y+7RyxnJ333zFf/32a04keUyWILuEvs ruYoFK2uleEpfLn3IYaneCRmTmpoQ8NIjbJUEq84F06a9DPO9X9jNDK/29/OW/Cjbj CM5wUYQnVv7Zp+272y0cYQL3j3Y485EZz8jNVSZG+/ZZHWMtio8YXrXEPLrknH6RDz FOqxICv6qxGv9lF0hg2LE5BP8eA7BINOpim0sSxJbU4jrvkEMcY+Jn53TkIemUE6ia sTBs60l7JK3yMjqypKdD7wHWsTYZiSfcSRb2zHVShdPtgeGSboR/HPQgwaDyjwxFSu h1A/lV01gKi4A== Message-ID: <67a32324-88ab-4e4a-84f8-a608eb532b6b@howhill.com> Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 21:09:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: 9front@9front.org References: Content-Language: en-GB From: Willow Liquorice In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.77 / 20.00]; BAYES_HAM(-3.00)[99.99%]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(-0.68)[-0.67710293484073]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D53081AE726 X-Rspamd-Server: srv1.howhill.co.uk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: CSS-scale persistence database Subject: Re: [9front] Thoughts on Wayland? Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk I presume the Wayland spec is talking about mmap(2) under Linux, which=20 allows you to treat a section of a file as you would program memory. On 04/08/2024 21:04, Eli Cohen wrote: > also as far as mmap goes and what it even means, I have no idea, but a > stupid younger version of me, who was myself at the time, managed to > change this audio driver > http://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/HEAD/sys/src/9/pc/audioac97= .c/raw > to support some mmap'ed I/O ac97 chips. the part where it says ismmio > =3D 1, that's a flag that those chips are mmap'ed ac97 chips. but now > I'm older and still honestly have no idea what you're talking about >=20 > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 12:59=E2=80=AFPM Eli Cohen = wrote: >> >> actually, drawing fast locally (and GPU stuff especially for >> computation) is definitely a plan 9 concept too and is also being >> worked on separately from wayland, and possibly on linux... so... plan >> 9 is an OS for networks that may include plan 9 machines, linux >> machines, iPhones, etc... it's a "unix made out of a network of >> computers" not a "network made out of unix computers" >> >> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 12:54=E2=80=AFPM Eli Cohen = wrote: >>> >>> always better to be a willow that bends than the strongest oak in a s= torm :) >>> >>> there's a common misconception that plan 9 is an OS for a computer. p= lan 9 is an OS for a network. drawing fast locally is not a plan 9 concep= t. plan 9 is a 9P multiplexer. a wayland shim for linux/mac/bsd/etc that = renders to draw somewhere else on the network would be good and appreciat= ed and a relevant plan 9 concept and people are working on it... but for = a fast local wayland implementation, that's what linux is, and linux can = be and is a part of plan 9 which is an OS for a network >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 4, 2024, 12:46=E2=80=AFPM Stuart Morrow wrote: >>>> >>>> How do you share memory over rcpu?