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* [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
@ 2021-04-02 11:12 mikan
  2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: mikan @ 2021-04-02 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

This is my third attempt at sending this letter.  I was getting
really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
misconfiguration on my end all along.  As such, in the meantime
these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
(I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)

# HG changeset patch
# User glenda@cirno
# Date 1615396991 0
# Node ID ff2164144177dc5f732348e7f8ab8e07dcdf5d58
# Parent  4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
fqa8.ms: remove rogue rails.jpg
Rogue rails.jpg appeared in place of removed wenwei peng in changeset 7fbe5fbf3c69

diff -r 4592ec8b54b9 -r ff2164144177 fqa8.ms
--- a/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
+++ b/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:23:11 2021 +0000
@@ -35,8 +35,6 @@
 
 .FG using9front jpg
 
-.FG rails jpg
-
 When applied consistently, simple conventions can combine to provide powerful results. In Plan 9,
 .I conventions
 are preferred to
# HG changeset patch
# User glenda@cirno
# Date 1615396639 0
# Node ID 4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
# Parent  efd976811282ba15520ff28c9181708bc5c8b816
fqa0.ms: fix typo in plan 9 foundation url

diff -r efd976811282 -r 4592ec8b54b9 fqa0.ms
--- a/fqa0.ms	Sat Mar 06 21:54:08 2021 -0500
+++ b/fqa0.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
@@ -244,7 +244,7 @@
 .ihtml a
 \(em Jehanne:Harvey::William King Harvey:J. Edgar Hoover
 
-.ihtml a <a href="http://9pf.org">
+.ihtml a <a href="http://p9f.org">
 Plan 9 Foundation
 .ihtml a
 \(em Not software.


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* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 11:12 [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg mikan
@ 2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
  2021-04-02 12:17   ` hiro
  2021-04-02 12:31 ` hiro
  2021-04-02 14:32 ` Stanley Lieber
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: kemal @ 2021-04-02 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

> This is my third attempt at sending this letter. I was getting
> really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
> misconfiguration on my end all along. As such, in the meantime
> these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
> I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
> (I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)

are you sure that you don't have more misconfigurations in your setup?
this mail ended up in my spam folder.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
@ 2021-04-02 12:17   ` hiro
  2021-04-02 12:30     ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-04-02 14:22     ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-04-02 12:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

apart from whatever the OP has there's sadly also still a mailinglist
issue, i see kemal's mail only, including a partial quote of the
original mail, but i never received the original mail.



On 4/2/21, kemal <kemali13@protonmail.com> wrote:
>> This is my third attempt at sending this letter. I was getting
>> really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
>> misconfiguration on my end all along. As such, in the meantime
>> these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
>> I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
>> (I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)
>
> are you sure that you don't have more misconfigurations in your setup?
> this mail ended up in my spam folder.
>
>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 12:17   ` hiro
@ 2021-04-02 12:30     ` Kurt H Maier
  2021-04-02 14:22     ` Stanley Lieber
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Kurt H Maier @ 2021-04-02 12:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On Fri, Apr 02, 2021 at 02:17:55PM +0200, hiro wrote:
> apart from whatever the OP has there's sadly also still a mailinglist
> issue, i see kemal's mail only, including a partial quote of the
> original mail, but i never received the original mail.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/2/21, kemal <kemali13@protonmail.com> wrote:
> >> This is my third attempt at sending this letter. I was getting
> >> really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
> >> misconfiguration on my end all along. As such, in the meantime
> >> these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
> >> I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
> >> (I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)
> >
> > are you sure that you don't have more misconfigurations in your setup?
> > this mail ended up in my spam folder.
> >
> >

The reason for all this shit is that waifu.club is listed in the SURBL
and therefore lots of email hosts and/or antispam software is going to
shitcan it by default.  The waifu.club domain is classed as "abuse."

I got the message fine, but my spamassassin reporter went nuts.

khm

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 11:12 [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg mikan
  2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
@ 2021-04-02 12:31 ` hiro
  2021-04-02 18:48   ` mikan
  2021-04-02 14:32 ` Stanley Lieber
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-04-02 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

ok, i found your mail in spam now.
one thing that strikes me is that you have a dkim signature, but your
dns doesn't answer requests for your dkim selector.
maybe you will want to fix your mail...

maybe aided by my elegant automatic bottomquoting of the original
mail, sl will figure out how to act on the two suggestions.

On 4/2/21, mikan@waifu.club <mikan@waifu.club> wrote:
> This is my third attempt at sending this letter.  I was getting
> really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
> misconfiguration on my end all along.  As such, in the meantime
> these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
> I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
> (I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)
>
> # HG changeset patch
> # User glenda@cirno
> # Date 1615396991 0
> # Node ID ff2164144177dc5f732348e7f8ab8e07dcdf5d58
> # Parent  4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
> fqa8.ms: remove rogue rails.jpg
> Rogue rails.jpg appeared in place of removed wenwei peng in changeset
> 7fbe5fbf3c69
>
> diff -r 4592ec8b54b9 -r ff2164144177 fqa8.ms
> --- a/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
> +++ b/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:23:11 2021 +0000
> @@ -35,8 +35,6 @@
>
>  .FG using9front jpg
>
> -.FG rails jpg
> -
>  When applied consistently, simple conventions can combine to provide
> powerful results. In Plan 9,
>  .I conventions
>  are preferred to
> # HG changeset patch
> # User glenda@cirno
> # Date 1615396639 0
> # Node ID 4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
> # Parent  efd976811282ba15520ff28c9181708bc5c8b816
> fqa0.ms: fix typo in plan 9 foundation url
>
> diff -r efd976811282 -r 4592ec8b54b9 fqa0.ms
> --- a/fqa0.ms	Sat Mar 06 21:54:08 2021 -0500
> +++ b/fqa0.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
> @@ -244,7 +244,7 @@
>  .ihtml a
>  \(em Jehanne:Harvey::William King Harvey:J. Edgar Hoover
>
> -.ihtml a <a href="http://9pf.org">
> +.ihtml a <a href="http://p9f.org">
>  Plan 9 Foundation
>  .ihtml a
>  \(em Not software.
>
>

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 12:17   ` hiro
  2021-04-02 12:30     ` Kurt H Maier
@ 2021-04-02 14:22     ` Stanley Lieber
  2021-04-02 16:47       ` hiro
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-04-02 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On April 2, 2021 8:17:55 AM EDT, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>apart from whatever the OP has there's sadly also still a mailinglist
>issue, i see kemal's mail only, including a partial quote of the
>original mail, but i never received the original mail.
>
>
>
>On 4/2/21, kemal <kemali13@protonmail.com> wrote:
>>> This is my third attempt at sending this letter. I was getting
>>> really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
>>> misconfiguration on my end all along. As such, in the meantime
>>> these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
>>> I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
>>> (I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)
>>
>> are you sure that you don't have more misconfigurations in your setup?
>> this mail ended up in my spam folder.
>>
>>
>

this is what I think is happening:

mlmgr sends out mail in batches. some batches fail, temporarily or otherwise. some succeed. this sometimes results in messages about arriving in the wrong order.

sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 11:12 [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg mikan
  2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
  2021-04-02 12:31 ` hiro
@ 2021-04-02 14:32 ` Stanley Lieber
  2021-04-02 22:00   ` mikan
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-04-02 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On April 2, 2021 7:12:31 AM EDT, mikan@waifu.club wrote:
>This is my third attempt at sending this letter.  I was getting
>really angry at 9front for not accepting them, but turns out it was
>misconfiguration on my end all along.  As such, in the meantime
>these patches were reduced from 3 to 2, and became a bit stale, but
>I hope they will still apply cleanly, since they are mere one-liners.
>(I am also not sure if these "bugs" are not actually "features" now)
>
># HG changeset patch
># User glenda@cirno
># Date 1615396991 0
># Node ID ff2164144177dc5f732348e7f8ab8e07dcdf5d58
># Parent  4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
>fqa8.ms: remove rogue rails.jpg
>Rogue rails.jpg appeared in place of removed wenwei peng in changeset 7fbe5fbf3c69
>
>diff -r 4592ec8b54b9 -r ff2164144177 fqa8.ms
>--- a/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
>+++ b/fqa8.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:23:11 2021 +0000
>@@ -35,8 +35,6 @@
> 
> .FG using9front jpg
> 
>-.FG rails jpg
>-
> When applied consistently, simple conventions can combine to provide powerful results. In Plan 9,
> .I conventions
> are preferred to
># HG changeset patch
># User glenda@cirno
># Date 1615396639 0
># Node ID 4592ec8b54b9cb5f0cdf41fc168d118472d2e5d9
># Parent  efd976811282ba15520ff28c9181708bc5c8b816
>fqa0.ms: fix typo in plan 9 foundation url
>
>diff -r efd976811282 -r 4592ec8b54b9 fqa0.ms
>--- a/fqa0.ms	Sat Mar 06 21:54:08 2021 -0500
>+++ b/fqa0.ms	Wed Mar 10 17:17:19 2021 +0000
>@@ -244,7 +244,7 @@
> .ihtml a
> \(em Jehanne:Harvey::William King Harvey:J. Edgar Hoover
> 
>-.ihtml a <a href="http://9pf.org">
>+.ihtml a <a href="http://p9f.org">
> Plan 9 Foundation
> .ihtml a
> \(em Not software.
>
>

rails.jpg is now a black box used to redact anything in the fqa that someone asks to be removed. someone asked to remove the Wenger peng quote.

typo fixed.

thanks!

sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 14:22     ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2021-04-02 16:47       ` hiro
  2021-04-02 17:37         ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2021-04-02 16:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

> this is what I think is happening:

sorry, it was false alarm

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 16:47       ` hiro
@ 2021-04-02 17:37         ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-04-02 17:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On April 2, 2021 12:47:06 PM EDT, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>> this is what I think is happening:
>
>sorry, it was false alarm
>

this time. but the other thing also still happens.

sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 12:31 ` hiro
@ 2021-04-02 18:48   ` mikan
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: mikan @ 2021-04-02 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

Well, misconfiguraion I was having has little to do with DCIM-signatures
and spam filters: I was sending my mail from my gmail address (which
is not subscribed to the mailing list) by mistake.
I could try writing my meme mail provider about this, but considering
it actually got banned in my country, maybe it's better to just start
self-hosting instead.


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 14:32 ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2021-04-02 22:00   ` mikan
  2021-04-02 23:26     ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
From: mikan @ 2021-04-02 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

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> rails.jpg is now a black box used to redact anything in the fqa
> that someone asks to be removed.

Other rails.jpg has an explanation under it, but positioned further
towards the end of the document, so it's somewhat confusing.

How about using "full block" characters ('█' or utf8 code 0x2588)
for redacted text instead?

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg
  2021-04-02 22:00   ` mikan
@ 2021-04-02 23:26     ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2021-04-02 23:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

On April 2, 2021 6:00:16 PM EDT, mikan@waifu.club wrote:
>> rails.jpg is now a black box used to redact anything in the fqa
>> that someone asks to be removed.
>
>Other rails.jpg has an explanation under it, but positioned further
>towards the end of the document, so it's somewhat confusing.
>
>How about using "full block" characters ('���' or utf8 code 0x2588)
>for redacted text instead?
>

no, this is for a purpose. we're going to explain it every time. if you don't want to see black boxes, stop asking for stuff to be removed.

sl

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

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2021-04-02 11:12 [9front] fqa: fix foundation link; remove rogue rails.jpg mikan
2021-04-02 11:41 ` kemal
2021-04-02 12:17   ` hiro
2021-04-02 12:30     ` Kurt H Maier
2021-04-02 14:22     ` Stanley Lieber
2021-04-02 16:47       ` hiro
2021-04-02 17:37         ` Stanley Lieber
2021-04-02 12:31 ` hiro
2021-04-02 18:48   ` mikan
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