From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-qt1-f193.google.com ([209.85.160.193]) by ewsd; Mon Jul 27 13:01:15 EDT 2020 Received: by mail-qt1-f193.google.com with SMTP id b25so12750808qto.2 for <9front@9front.org>; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:01:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=a69hWnWQu8qv3ZOsXibP/P3PKfRX2d//QiTc3+9bH68=; b=JI1q7YzNB3mNInhwZ1TzfbzG4WERNrCwmTds7xWB+U9/PEqs0ybjL3YNby2F6aahAn tV85snzNINQzrRT2BqmPN3LqfPAJW5wdos3uR8FvEKoxODIhw1c+hqe6V+I4JVPxlMfF PDmpnOmgzm9CNrK3ob6an2y/jnPTJBzDA85HVJLYQjOmmp8hFURew717HmSC3nMVdRGa 3FsKCTjjIwhSBDKJuu6Q32SlbP27h+4IEkrhxtpeuwFvSqv3bmP6ROHV7LifqHejP7bd G2zfhDnTrv1EHbkNQbCz0T5xK5qUgwTGcMvEM/KwvbYugJSbISeUtbqgFyESiJLCgcNi wbmQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=a69hWnWQu8qv3ZOsXibP/P3PKfRX2d//QiTc3+9bH68=; b=uOX9YbHxq8bHE1A71ee0Ug21FUyZmVQySIwdNsa3oPoA9Q66EbxYs7bsdx1voQgaj+ BbNJ7lrogd16h2rv2nDpfIuG1M2xYOrXSgCV2EBoS3v4DgBwcMA6Q9Q7/A3lTfNWuFKf Fi04Jvu6xnieBYYZDRY5VN0S41E7jywMPe96zcqdibFMUsEGg+YJQTfb/mONDQRDDLbI JRLzSFl5G9mV223R9kstk264Ky13VKsY2DEWqEXpu262DMaw+b4QrAIMNVax0W9zMo/7 bl4N/kFk5CNzGn05S3hh+R2Rb80+A8QdKqSQUDKKGsoSlGZM9+BwoJaBtZPs79BFq8vP MNKA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533qXcewIOROsZt0HR2z97gQ/2PRwxj3CoKYkoLFOn58M5TIxrkQ x7/Dd+ojqFBWSoZlrBl8F7+esm3HdMs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJybzavLhMb6ve2P8WPwClq2o/UBk2Y9Xoc478J7XsFhMm2KVz07pQXeVbAvAyrRf+daGYGMGw== X-Received: by 2002:ac8:4c9a:: with SMTP id j26mr2722899qtv.373.1595869271778; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ?IPv6:2600:1700:8170:e391:e943:334a:4c71:b25d? ([2600:1700:8170:e391:e943:334a:4c71:b25d]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t12sm18090263qkt.56.2020.07.27.10.01.10 for <9front@9front.org> (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:01:11 -0700 (PDT) From: William Gunnells Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: [9front] The 9 Documentation Project Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:01:09 -0700 References: To: 9front@9front.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <7AD2B9C2-6A1C-4F2B-A693-D37EC55B1C82@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: blockchain-based proxy callback interface Wonderful Idea. When I don=E2=80=99t understand something in FQA I end = up at 9p.io. I=E2=80=99m also tired of going back and forth from Openbsd = to Plan9 just for a browser or some documentation. This may be ignorance = on my part. It appears older documentation exists on the 9front install. = It would be nice is FQA was installed in the doc section on a 9front = install. Perhaps it doesn=E2=80=99t matter because after all it is a = reflection of the manages.=20 Mothra does handle browsing to 9p.io and 9front.org so that is nice. = I=E2=80=99m really trying to make that jump and install it native. But = i=E2=80=99m just not ready.=20 If you read all of the documentation which appears to be a lot than some = of the questions asked are supposed to become obvious. But honestly that = is not where my brain is at. Too many years in BSD or Linux. Plan9 is = simply very different and requires a very different mindset. At the end = of the day when I have time to learn plan9 i=E2=80=99m already tired and = making dumb mistakes.=20 Mail was kind of a pain to setup for me. I made two elusive credentials = and the "open /ipmas/asdf.asdf" and "upas/fs=E2=80=9D much more = difficult then it should have been. I made it more difficult and I = recognize that.=20 I feel like we need more documentation on how to use the system. Like a = day to day thing. I recall watching a video of someone who made the port = of plan9 to ARM for raspberryPi. I really got to see it in action and = how one person would use and work with this strangely wonderful OS.=20 There is a link on 9p.io about Expanding your grid.=20 https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/Expanding_your_Grid/index.html I=E2=80=99m kind of stuck at Level 2 and champing at the bit to actually = =E2=80=98srv=E2=80=99 files between different CPU/Auth=E2=80=99s. This = Plan9 really makes certain tools like ssh and or other protocols a joke. = Why are more people not using this. Well the learning curve is too = fucking high i don=E2=80=99t believe it was a browser that halted this = progress. It was the documentation.=20=