From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: by 10.236.153.68 with SMTP id e44cs11203yhk; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <9front+bncCPDA352iExDlkYfwBBoEYhLBHA@googlegroups.com> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCPDA352iExDlkYfwBBoEYhLBHA@googlegroups.com designates 10.229.35.202 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.229.35.202; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCPDA352iExDlkYfwBBoEYhLBHA@googlegroups.com designates 10.229.35.202 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=9front+bncCPDA352iExDlkYfwBBoEYhLBHA@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=9front+bncCPDA352iExDlkYfwBBoEYhLBHA@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.229.35.202]) by 10.229.35.202 with SMTP id q10mr194115qcd.5.1308739817469 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=6uxFTNorx347zco1zKwZILcAuMgKuZZrfGrMZEYNm/M=; b=qa/fygIm/Y1je5A/xS7PdQF+I+96uhj+wIfh9Am7GFe6RO9F005SiKvjaUMQ5mahKZ xjrwV2iBojeevkVn3ZTuJjjOPbQmb4TiqMJgLx5KZnx8qxgeP81niqb4Lg6SPYaEw+b5 AIGfGzDmDy+KRsqMlzmtH9rVwY9Y1wH9IuWWo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Br8QCf62wIXUf8c8pF3/MVOp7t0TjoVqYX7qZ+dP7uApPX35Qq+vzhuItHViuPG//J caokDM/6tHzAF6rGHOUugUhrt4AhrN8qhz75RAqlxThKCWYft+t66idFTgHy5I8NsC+s ko4jzx4zHq2+dKZjbyCNcdQlvP2b+b+6pkhJI= Received: by 10.229.35.202 with SMTP id q10mr51212qcd.5.1308739813987; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: 9front@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.183.131 with SMTP id cg3ls92806qab.0.gmail; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.67 with SMTP id hd3mr518760qab.18.1308739813686; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.67 with SMTP id hd3mr518759qab.18.1308739813677; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx39si379836qcb.2.2011.06.22.03.50.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of noah.evans@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by mail-qy0-f173.google.com with SMTP id 10so3405355qyk.18 for <9front@googlegroups.com>; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.17.19 with SMTP id q19mr352064qca.142.1308739813519; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:50:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.91.137 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 03:49:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Noah Evans Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:49:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: alternative compilers To: 9front@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: noah.evans@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of noah.evans@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=noah.evans@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: 9front@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list 9front@googlegroups.com; contact 9front+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: <9front.googlegroups.com> X-Google-Group-Id: 831096995978 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: 9front@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My goodness it can be (almost) civil. You bring up an interesting point. Plan9 was designed for Ken's music collection(Unix was likewise created for space travel). However the reason that Unix succeeded was that its creators were willing to allow the system to be used to meet *other* people's needs. It's not enough to scratch your own itch, you have to be cooperative enough to allow others to contribute as well. I find this attitude especially ironic given that, to the best of my knowledge, 9front was established based on the belief that certain maintainers were not being responsive enough to the needs of the community. Noah On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Julius Schmidt wrote: >> Good for you. Really. However, these solutions are worthless unless >> you a. build a community inclusive enough for people to use them or b. >> get them merged back into the main tree. > > c. We use them. That's worthwhile enough. > > Historically, languages designed for other people to use have been bad: > Cobol, PL/I, Pascal, Ada, C++. The good languages have been those that > were designed for their own creators: C, Perl, Smalltalk, Lisp. -- Paul > Graham > > I'm about to make lunch. > Should I build a community around it or merge it back into the main tree > to prevent it from being worthless? >