From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: lost.goblin@gmail.com Received: by 10.236.153.68 with HTTP; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 04:06:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:06:40 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Evywro2gxPkF9cn5yugcaAOWNnI Message-ID: Subject: Re: alternative compilers From: Uriel To: 9front@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Noah Evans wrote: > My goodness it can be (almost) civil. > > You bring up an interesting point. Plan9 was designed for Ken's music > collection(Unix was likewise created for space travel). However the > reason that Unix succeeded was that its creators were willing to allow > the system to be used to meet *other* people's needs. > It's not enough to scratch your own itch, you have to be cooperative enough to allow > others to contribute as well. I almost fell off my chair when I read this. Plan 9 development might be many things, but it is not cooperative. I have seen more cooperation in the last few weeks in #cat-v than I have seen in 9fans for years (but then I stopped reading 9fans a while ago, it is an even bigger waste of time than reading the random obscene jokes in #cat-v, at least some of those are funny). uriel > I find this attitude especially ironic > given that, to the best of my knowledge, 9front was established based > on the belief that certain maintainers were not being responsive > enough to the needs of the community. > > Noah > > > > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Julius Schmidt wrote: >>> Good for you. Really. However, these solutions are worthless unless >>> you a. build a community inclusive enough for people to use them or b. >>> get them merged back into the main tree. >> >> c. We use them. That's worthwhile enough. >> >> Historically, languages designed for other people to use have been bad: >> Cobol, PL/I, Pascal, Ada, C++. The good languages have been those that >> were designed for their own creators: C, Perl, Smalltalk, Lisp. -- Paul >> Graham >> >> I'm about to make lunch. >> Should I build a community around it or merge it back into the main tree >> to prevent it from being worthless? >> >