From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: by 10.236.103.132 with SMTP id f4cs182913yhg; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDiuMDuBBoEXI3nrA@googlegroups.com> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDiuMDuBBoEXI3nrA@googlegroups.com designates 10.223.39.2 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.223.39.2; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDiuMDuBBoEXI3nrA@googlegroups.com designates 10.223.39.2 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDiuMDuBBoEXI3nrA@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=9front+bncCIfk-sO2AhDiuMDuBBoEXI3nrA@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.223.39.2]) by 10.223.39.2 with SMTP id d2mr3188694fae.31.1305484386228 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=FqVBvW68DNfQvf+vIVQNUcue8JlkHDUkOBItyJGEJGU=; b=FbHsmiqGUZk3uDkp+VO/BbdZ3j4lZj23i9DLbMiDd+2dr9H4f69RU6clNAIELWAVIc njeZDFyRuIn+Z0XPPVfCS1vLNPFwZ1MECA4zl6NfaLn7Pe8W5oOSm6rdzuDJhsUGDA1X ssVOUYjPjIMP8PcqC04wy1SufxRbV3sb16nOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=F+TVbCY8YoNKCYRVzYuMpKfq8FmWjQiV8/rjX/MHJP/NahAL+wmbvF9Q8a/azRfO8P tU+kACTdYK3QsRFgqKBn7FPpedmfjAKWEGgz8cPRVUyDG1+SaRqP15n+avHrQGZayy6I fU5XUhfRG00eI0vqo9rzX5Euz3fJvTEUfOulQ= Received: by 10.223.39.2 with SMTP id d2mr1105688fae.31.1305484386075; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: 9front@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.51.195 with SMTP id e3ls918932fag.1.gmail; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.24.208 with SMTP id w16mr324052fab.11.1305484385612; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.24.208 with SMTP id w16mr324051fab.11.1305484385596; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f51.google.com (mail-bw0-f51.google.com [209.85.214.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si471551fav.6.2011.05.15.11.33.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of stanley.lieber@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.51; Received: by bwz10 with SMTP id 10so3295965bwz.10 for <9front@googlegroups.com>; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.19.6 with SMTP id y6mr3354732bka.159.1305484384198; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:33:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.26.208 with HTTP; Sun, 15 May 2011 11:32:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stanley Lieber Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:32:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: new wiki page: guide for system administrators To: 9front@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: stanley.lieber@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of stanley.lieber@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=stanley.lieber@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: 9front@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list 9front@googlegroups.com; contact 9front+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: <9front.googlegroups.com> X-Google-Group-Id: 831096995978 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: 9front@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 6:53 AM, Uriel wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 1:59 AM, Stanley Lieber > wrote: >> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 6:54 PM, cinap_lenrek wrote: >>> yeah, we should go arround and *REMOVE* stuff instead of >>> adding more and more bloated ape ports. i would have no >>> objection if the (cvs) program you add is small and compiles >>> in like a second. but these big ape programs that take >>> *MINUTES* to compile really suck. >> >> taruti's pkg(1) utility is a good replacement for contrib(1). It copies >> files over http and keeps track of how to remove them, once installed. >> Once she adds support for mirrors it will have more or less fulfilled our >> wishlist of features. >> >> I don't see any reason to keep putting more and more alien software >> into the distribution. > > Avoiding replica is nice, but I still would prefer no package > management at all, and just including all useful stuff directly in the > distribution. > > uriel Before long, we'll need to switch from install CD to install DVD. -sl