From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: by 10.236.157.197 with SMTP id o45cs122731yhk; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: <9front+bncCLqU4qzTHBDpwarwBBoEBAVxrA@googlegroups.com> Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCLqU4qzTHBDpwarwBBoEBAVxrA@googlegroups.com designates 10.151.25.19 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.151.25.19; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 9front+bncCLqU4qzTHBDpwarwBBoEBAVxrA@googlegroups.com designates 10.151.25.19 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=9front+bncCLqU4qzTHBDpwarwBBoEBAVxrA@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=9front+bncCLqU4qzTHBDpwarwBBoEBAVxrA@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.151.25.19]) by 10.151.25.19 with SMTP id c19mr146272ybj.36.1309319405351 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AFK3JejZk3gVn2be3flQETCW+UbhANS/kS/jg1K9QKU=; b=l613RLVryLaUN3Q4Y+aJ+/65rYteQPnyDq7vSn7pr244J/hnwxi6MgUX/1V3zh0wcb Gr332uHThVkbHjvJU0IBny93eNbd8ahtgBm5WT5KiAyJpAMjP66UYh7YAzyzBYqVLdaY rINpiF2LcPDmkP+qs7T/vdrBZCOckTevB5qG0= Received: by 10.151.25.19 with SMTP id c19mr36636ybj.36.1309319401788; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: 9front@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.160.132 with SMTP id n4ls646053ibx.0.gmail; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.137.67 with SMTP id x3mr132873ict.49.1309319401460; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.137.67 with SMTP id x3mr132870ict.49.1309319401448; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iw0-f169.google.com (mail-iw0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g20si328832icm.5.2011.06.28.20.50.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of andreasbwagner@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.169; Received: by iwn8 with SMTP id 8so967391iwn.14 for <9front@googlegroups.com>; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.67.80 with SMTP id s16mr271623ici.473.1309319400031; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.11.201 with HTTP; Tue, 28 Jun 2011 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 23:49:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: streaming 9p From: Andreas Wagner To: 9front@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: andreasbwagner@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of andreasbwagner@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=andreasbwagner@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: 9front@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list 9front@googlegroups.com; contact 9front+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: <9front.googlegroups.com> X-Google-Group-Id: 831096995978 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: 9front@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You make a good point about tstream removing important parts of 9p. On another topic, I am looking into implementing ccn for 9front. (Content-Centric|Named-Data) Networking could fit the plan9 model like a glove. I just need to finish all my plan9 and ccnx readings so that I can do it tastefully and thoroughly. Links for those who are not familiar with ccn: http://www.named-data.net/publications.html http://www.ccnx.org/ - AndreasBWagner On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 8:21 PM, Uriel wrote: > If this streaming-9p stuff is what I remember from a while ago, which > I have been trying to erase from my brains ever since: > > It completely breaks the 9P and Plan 9 model namespaces and network > transparency, please keep that idiotic crap as far away as possible. > > It is an utterly disgraceful hack that destroys most of the things > that make 9P and Plan 9 awesome. > > Hint: Pretending that all networks do TCP is as bad or worse than > pretending the whole world is a VAX. > > If you are going to do this kind of crap, you could just as well use HTTP. > > uriel > > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 9:51 PM, Andreas Wagner > wrote: >> How about using streaming 9p in 9front? It addresses the performance >> problem that seems to have in part lead to the more unix style pkg(1). >> >> http://5e.iwp9.org/slides/floren.pdf >> >> https://bitbucket.org/floren/tstream/overview >> >> - AndreasBWagner >> >