From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-lf0-f49.google.com ([209.85.215.49]) by ur; Sat Jun 4 10:54:55 EDT 2016 Received: by mail-lf0-f49.google.com with SMTP id s186so5890249lfs.1 for <9front@9front.org>; Sat, 04 Jun 2016 07:54:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIG2pEDRQcQIcNEGRi/78nR0T0Sk8QzqY45jxFkeBbc=; b=WXAZIPDQ+9hU+tZX/3Ho+wrbruvMYMVVp49RjmpcMGLBsC5f6pB83vIGz1YogcA+jM 4nXuTP96rbpK6Z+8VPoXt/i4Njr1VI99oQx12Lw5gRCPWy5+6hqJ8JbjzGc/3yEuUnYj MXAOCoXszmCk0SCeSFQUDaKrnxxZ6dwvnhnTnLI8+NZ1kwu/CSOytxAh0fVDxb7FBwIA aqnKwaBoo8zok/f93sxI4cO3j7zDWcb3aLfCiiyK04moGS5TSAK+UCOjisSHpmhr3Vqi qIypI66kdItnkGe71DMBhmP/ADfwEicT3+/ImQJaWaj7+ppzlmkkZ/mkMmDlxsZ5exCt klfA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XIG2pEDRQcQIcNEGRi/78nR0T0Sk8QzqY45jxFkeBbc=; b=mDs14ecOQb8RF/hf3jHYkXOKSK3PeWoUSBPipLKNUgIZ8gPcbi+SarNib+kTYtEcAB vHR7eSmhX/Ud3PVjTj/NJ0ZWfSEHjlAnt91iPz3UpOS/q40fv4cGQo2frqyuMUUnivtF 7RNW+W1gA9LjhQ8etabfTVTfM6Qc/T8fHlj6YLCFdtoBWfhkgrdrLElCeBF0pZp0fKst aXb/YIyhrZewSOY4fYiJGqcMjckrToXim+DhotKSvijPl4//FQ2mH6pYfOAhgvRq7Qti QXghbyC7ECbTjp2SLhaR6ARD3pGKhubQn/++ysv0E6jUGqmoYA3iXf6ElCrUvuMkjJkr hKZw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKY6ivkMFQ3QdRiCgQj+3IckvtZoLJ0S+Dox7gjMlZKqqhlHe0ji8xW9nfyz1/y+I5YtnI2ynMkq9Iimg== X-Received: by 10.25.91.211 with SMTP id p202mr2528550lfb.167.1465052091128; Sat, 04 Jun 2016 07:54:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.65.9 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Jun 2016 07:54:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Benjamin Purcell Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 09:54:50 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [9front] State of the 9front mailing list archives To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: social callback standard SQL hypervisor-scale rich-client control You would have to increase the speed of light only for 9p messages. On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 1:31 AM, wrote: > > On Fri Jun 3 14:46:01 EDT 2016, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote: >> In my previous mail I was responding more to the same discussion that ge= ts held over and over on IRC by the same people about how accessing the mai= ling list archive is awkward and slow. > > That's expected with latency and any protocol that requires a lot of back= and forth. > > > meiling% 9fs 9front >[2]/dev/null > meiling% time ls -l /n/9front/lists/9fans >/tmp/foo > 0.90u 0.08s 120.38r ls -l /n/9front/lists/9fans > meiling% wc -l /tmp/foo > 93845 /tmp/foo > meiling% echo 93845 / 120.38 | hoc > 779.573018774 # files per second > > meiling% ip/ping -n 5 9front.org > sending 5 64 byte messages 1000 ms apart to icmp!9front.org!1 > 0: rtt 49053 =C2=B5s, avg rtt 49053 =C2=B5s, ttl =3D 245 > 1: rtt 47224 =C2=B5s, avg rtt 48138 =C2=B5s, ttl =3D 245 > 2: rtt 47660 =C2=B5s, avg rtt 47979 =C2=B5s, ttl =3D 245 > 3: rtt 47340 =C2=B5s, avg rtt 47819 =C2=B5s, ttl =3D 245 > 4: rtt 47084 =C2=B5s, avg rtt 47672 =C2=B5s, ttl =3D 245 > meiling% echo 120.38 / 0.04672 | hoc > 2576.62671233 # number of possible round trips > meiling% echo 93845 / 2576 | hoc > 36.4305124224 # estimated files per round trip > > # /tmp/cache is an arbitrary directory I store some crap > meiling% time ls -l /tmp/cache >/tmp/bar > 0.07u 0.01s 0.09r ls -l /tmp/cache > meiling% wc -l /tmp/bar > 6161 /tmp/bar > meiling% echo 6161 / 0.09 | hoc > 68455.5555556 # files per second, locally > > > This assumes we send and receive messages, one at a time. > It's better than I thought, but I suppose it doesn't scale well to > directories with hundreds of thousands of files, or a higher > latency link. > > What about increasing the speed of light?