From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEFBA21F40 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 23:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-yb1-f180.google.com ([209.85.219.180]) by 9front; Wed May 8 17:26:56 -0400 2024 Received: by mail-yb1-f180.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-de60a51fe21so252613276.0 for <9front@9front.org>; Wed, 08 May 2024 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1715203612; x=1715808412; darn=9front.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kbiB0s4E43noPjn0s0sERxY/rgji/j3d8okvNlTG11I=; b=eLnUgN/FRZXm4DDf1RJp8Ue0vOVLVjZfAIsb8EwDvL3ebcMSHg+2PmXLxjOy3WJFBb hg2T+rSEq2emb9vSO6CxBEZLFxEIwKWQBYDDoLRgoM0v3I+m6cbqt06zarZgUcPI2p7X kOqhlBC7kzrt0J3zc8ABoDX72/ZPGVe/Viz/JBwG4XGzB94nbwZRNOCkaELCuJYbvmAx jNvxC3xA+P3RveCaxP5s5jSnW03Fh+W4Jmrth4kEfvkXp9EfRs8ASvC6j1JGb5k8eK3J 3xAS5cdAHu751YmrFTwdUsLWil+by7Yh8YjLSa2Co6rw5RCM3O0Ri+qZK+2Ew8H+Wjem sHrQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715203612; x=1715808412; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=kbiB0s4E43noPjn0s0sERxY/rgji/j3d8okvNlTG11I=; b=aIaeCrm3VFi2CI8AOYC823dWNseNA/CB5etO3OoYfJcs3tDQ8PWeO9q628wSbg45qf 3JBgNh7d5T7jFWYFXTxdK1WyzvLLfuMGI75FMbvg8ERVIvKoJM9kUPQOvJ8Zf0++21Zl VxUSB18sVlUhMVnk4B3iKNbmH73moOAYyC4ji0s1UBQz2Jf6eZWlr5Vn9ITG5/6y2FCS hkuSRDtpqBbTQ9HJgip4hDEOy7cH0BGC11zwGBqoGLclcuQAz/duxnTa+xuxltq84mDp 8tEcIk/2wDN/9as5tQ2sJXMlEfUjTwWN4DWVj2Iew6wMm2q8nhGAbkPGRUHq0EeqEH5q jByw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwcXGg0lBvd7gEPlKsZ1aM5CXULZJs44y9bzPFNpJsXjo2edJUQ l4E4sBwQ8mJ1cfn9G9pqsFiG7c3F00RCzfpLFJLUx35ULtuhqpXQiXWZepoBGFyieFBDl4Zg63E 8KpVUusiXjdJ9xFdHL6xCdCfFIoVEhQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGEldcJ49RX3gU6sAbCRJXYlFqHjn5DjUWDoiQe/iWVefP0+EGRFim36sc1SX1y/vV1Ng3GNEKSjT7ocLj86YU= X-Received: by 2002:a25:ad21:0:b0:dc2:2f4b:c9d8 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-debb9cfc7camr5209471276.16.1715203612241; Wed, 08 May 2024 14:26:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <102b2835-4207-4f8c-9f29-9da8b459dc2e@posixcafe.org> <5CF629DBC32C6D8D674AE2E07A2F8289@gaff.inri.net> In-Reply-To: From: Stuart Morrow Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 22:26:41 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: open-source full-stack table core manager Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 May 2024 at 21:17, hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> wrote: > i had hoped there would evolve something out of lapfs for a long time. > i still think of it often, but now i stopped using laptops mostly, > so... But even within a single box, Something Like Orifs could replicate across heterogeneous disks (as a side effect of being able to replicate across different boxes). It might be faster than devfs because a write's correctness doesn't depend on every one of the disks being touched straight away (disconnected operation is the premise of Orifs). Online resizing of a sort would fall out for free, too, not by resizing the partition but by making a new partition and doing as above (except with a partition instead of a disk). This would be good to have on platforms installed by just writing 9front.*.img to the disk. The Orifs paper (old enough to be referenced by the newest Modern Operating Systems by Tanenbaum) doesn't think of either of those. With multiple machines: Replication subsumes backups, at least the first level of them (copies, but in the same building). Plan 9 has a founding assumption that computers are capital goods, and there's someone whose job it is to make backups. Today every 9front user has to do this themselves. I understand the point of an operating system to be "to make computers easier to use", not "& but only up to a certain point and then stop". The Something Like Orifs <> Something Like Orifs protocol wouldn't be 9P. So it's faster over the internet. (Orifs itself is C++ abandonware.)