From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE,URI_HEX autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 31510 invoked from network); 13 Mar 2022 22:20:23 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Mar 2022 22:20:23 -0000 Received: from mail-oo1-f45.google.com ([209.85.161.45]) by 4ess; Sun Mar 13 17:16:52 -0400 2022 Received: by mail-oo1-f45.google.com with SMTP id x26-20020a4a621a000000b00320d7d4af22so17866889ooc.4 for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 13 Mar 2022 14:16:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SK9bAQeIZ/k7Gh+3FqrcAYYvKUEYtTDtsy4IN11KRZM=; b=DsrTea+GIH2GGKRfMwVLyPt+eiNG7Wv47hiPdNMCegsH5tLgyBGRPTtvvoAae3Ey9T rfK1lm3Zvun72Ei65N8qGtrlpORriZY9q8Vl+rDTlTaZOeEGRwN12FtgFQgIl0vlLl76 9WnSgmRvNeXcCDh8UziTqaZdhiVuJNu7wgE2jQTvbgb15MgPHO4YIvdMZE7hN0q/rsdO QK9O2//qq29LpLbZA41MSsauhFzlOrXEfu2YUNSPdASgUx1+dsMPlV4q7t5rkDyewyeP uRq7jPmqhmwBBtL9CseEoMERsOteoJYJaBuEQvBohCetK+E/CA+8EmPfeHRvh2DZ/fe7 My4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SK9bAQeIZ/k7Gh+3FqrcAYYvKUEYtTDtsy4IN11KRZM=; b=Yf39jRQYOlxr+MI6Lf/LVkdU8eiCAlogwo+Pcx9WG6ikUpThs+WQay7G1xr3ed1cJc PDK1ZTmiYGC58sMsyBR9iJdnrvtLlxbUHocuyVqtTs3Lo06JjJfkucHwD0HVS/rbTCMA k4E/UR9npYrorhBNJBxrbhbasyyLhfPSj6yFPgIyt9MXSY1POS86mt6iMnpe41GvoqJL ZcMHaWs+UoBWnXChHwfpPYZrGgus6ov5094QiaU+CrWPZRB7Ws+4MMqFdJeuq/QxvY/N SIp5ySA3PLtJsNhZJtnHCiqktpzn4YIBQsnpLcw2sDJifX39l7eQDNZWP6N/0puQyMJu /l3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530hhH+bXKMIyrqdoqmLmGPE5O84vvAVOhxi5AfM54Dj84XW0nbR 97nHP6GUyLWAvTrVYaumJexqCwhkoImxji6wIC9mW2tr X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwukd6AfHnOmKPOnQroHi5VBQw3YEH0Ajs3dVMAhZKT6zLwyMUnkJg7HnXjAA9zc63QQ3l8esopwsxTk8j7ZSk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6871:721:b0:da:6cd7:d7b2 with SMTP id f33-20020a056871072100b000da6cd7d7b2mr9721419oap.123.1647205756924; Sun, 13 Mar 2022 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6830:16d5:b0:5af:1d57:67e8 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Mar 2022 14:09:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2022 22:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: property-oriented blockchain content-driven control Subject: Re: [9front] listserv Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk i agree. dmarc is useful in order to tell servers to ignore dkim. in my last mail i had confused dmarc with dkim. On 3/13/22, thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com w= rote: > Great question. My mail kept getting bounced by gmail. Yahoo mail was fin= e > but gmail was a pain > > For gmail to accept mail I needed a "_dmarc" for the root of the domain a= nd > the host "_dmarc.maat.thinktankworkspaces.com". > > Here is the configuration: > > @ 10800 IN SOA ns1.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1646461443 10800 3600 > 604800 10800 > @ 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76 > @ 10800 IN MX 10 maat.thinktankworkspaces.com. > @ 10800 IN MX 10 mail.thinktankworkspaces.com. > @ 10800 IN MX 10 thinktankworkspaces.com. > @ 10800 IN TXT "v=3Dspf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all" > _20948fec0056d2c1f86019ec5d2b200d 10800 IN CNAME > 8e44ca796bf0f517dce6d208a55cc87f.d01479e663f61af9158941fd03926cee.d7f2ad3= f771764a19618.sectigo.com. > _dmarc 10800 IN TXT "v=3DDMARC1; p=3Dnone; fo=3D1; > rua=3Dmailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; > ruf=3Dmailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com" > _dmarc.maat 10800 IN TXT "v=3DDMARC1; p=3Dnone; fo=3D1; > rua=3Dmailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; > ruf=3Dmailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com" > blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net. > maat 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76 > maat 10800 IN TXT "v=3Dspf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all" > mail 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76 > mail 10800 IN TXT "v=3Dspf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all" > www 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76 > > All of this was such a pain that decided to write about my experience: > > http://thinktankworkspaces.com/plan9/email-upas > > Again this seems to be working with a lot of other places I send mail to. > > I very much welcome comments. > > Plan9 doesn't currently support DKIM. But its helpful to have spf configu= red > and _dmarc even if its not using dkim the _dmarc reveals a lot. > > 'v=3DDMARC 1 ' > indicates the protocol version. > > The suggested DMARC record above includes a monitor policy (p=3Dnone). Th= is > means that you are not instructing mailbox providers to take any action w= ith > your email that fails authentication. > > 'fo' lets mailbox providers know you want message samples of emails that > failed either SPF and/or DKIM. For the value: > 'Use 0' to receive a report if both SPF and DKIM fail. (default) > 'Use 1' to receive a report if either SPF or DKIM fail. (recommended) > > So its interesting it does pass on mail-tester.com and Gmail somehow > resolves it and does a pass on the _dmarc for both hosts. > > > Quoth hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>: >> why would you use dmarc? i was not aware it was necessary for >> anything. and in this email i see spf is valid, but dmarc isn't. >> >> On 3/13/22, william@thinktankworkspaces.com >> wrote: >> > Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm >> > using >> > upas as a >> > server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on >> > mail-tester.com and have >> > _dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as >> > difficult >> > as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas. >> > >> > >> > Quoth Stanley Lieber : >> >> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining >> >> to >> >> you directly? >> >> >> >> sl >> >> >> >> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote: >> >> > >> >> > =EF=BB=BFWhy is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG an= d why is >> >> > it >> >> > getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from >> >> > 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > >