From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 32133 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2021 13:00:36 -0000 Received: from 1ess.inri.net (216.126.196.35) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 8 Mar 2021 13:00:36 -0000 Received: from mail-ed1-f47.google.com ([209.85.208.47]) by 1ess; Mon Mar 8 07:55:41 -0500 2021 Received: by mail-ed1-f47.google.com with SMTP id bd6so14545104edb.10 for <9front@9front.org>; Mon, 08 Mar 2021 04:55:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=elCpXLA2NLe4U+W+q+skdWxXfZtbVsGkRMvAk0+u6w4=; b=ml3KrbzGpY+fRhVDiLmnlwChdo2W+23Ik6AXRnErjlEXm9Fo3ktvyui4ovHxGeIh3Y i1vxP2v0osHjYlX6ElyQMSvSUuUGAA4GyXtyp73jMDMED1Dw3bO+SVh2q5R9gmZgX/Dd bqg70wCPE05bDK9tAIqGvEi9PNYVQEGamCqAePO+onHcbk1RAy8sNoYu3p1Nt5SrT5pC 3ADPFkqQ8h/TUY+KKOU7X+AO5HsoiAEZ6c77C+fGrh6b/gHhGeyvez5rfcVWbDfQxqXZ 3E6EJaWPHMECj+AmMGK5DUcUl7ln7+l4QpMdPYtd/Cqeo5ipulbPGlODzUT1BCTnF9yd PFUQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=elCpXLA2NLe4U+W+q+skdWxXfZtbVsGkRMvAk0+u6w4=; b=PdkqhQXMoXsB8IINO4NaJt+BWKy0bhf0dun1Zm9O77fTKVHRxfoTl3KygYXs/MOSod +eGd5VT9y/l5rzpsi4C2EiqzjYXK+FOXUzfwg9pemSczRBKwl51g3LfT7n5gTGN9Yo2K uUUytqn3VfsULIRlZ3pCeJCtfoGRIH6jkAxTvWy3XPUdsB2HIRrphxv8aqyUbkTJyBFb pvoH30NuEboeN1uNA5EHU0m4spuQ8mCGIDAgCBw+t7DFIxqTujSeZnDLFT34bQu/kTBD 4UZtmQUKOrn8SvxLhGN3riyDfLTqtoB/vd4fq6GgsnLNim/WTBA58MCenCb65hQ0GeB/ OicQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531veGJ9GDpJpESUaMNDld9Di5PK7ZFLsnnD7KE5smoQaDlOsRM/ JJ1XvfKs+MLblmAqdzK1IzvJJUwI5iGDX5dIusuFo/d1uBA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyOPbHaHM/q7DP/CG5aDes4yYz8qHYi34PfQmDFA1wccJBGgjwOWPvSzqz3Ju79s0GreE0S+QX0k7Uwlynk24s= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:df86:: with SMTP id b6mr2302221edy.294.1615208131843; Mon, 08 Mar 2021 04:55:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:906:4486:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Mar 2021 04:55:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <5B363A6921AF13A6394AA2B6B05DB843@gmail.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:55:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: proven generic extension singleton Subject: Re: [9front] distproto: include the files in /lib/firmware/* Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk the reason i'd want it all built in is bec. then you can netboot over wifi without needing an installation. it feels wrong to put it into iso for purity reasons, but there is not technical reason not to. if some wifi firmware is outdated, bad luck, wrongly depending on wifi serves you in that instance. if not, all the better, at least some lucky souls can get going faster and do something useful instead of managing their firmware files. at first sigrid's argument convinced me, but now that i realize it doesn't solve the problem i am even more convinced, there just isn't enough of a downside to include it from the beginning. and since i'm not here to convince but to enlighten i will add one more counterargument, the only other downside that i missed till now: it increases the size of the kernel image. might suck bec. tftp is already slow! On 3/8/21, kemal wrote: > (also, is 9front ml shitting itself again? i take some messages late.) > >> Another way would be to have enough space on FAT parition to copy >> firmware to ("firmware" directory on that partition) and to bind it on >> top of /lib/firmware during boot process. ISO stays the same, the >> user is free to copy firmware as they please after writing the ISO to >> USB flash drive or whatever. > > My original intention of this patch is very close to this. The diff > changes distproto so that copydist will also copy firmwares in > /lib/firmware/*. > This way, user can put fws to /lib/firmware after writing the iso to the > USB, > then they don't have boot again to another OS/use another device to take > fws. > We would also warn the novice users to put fws before they boot up the USB > in the FQA. > > If we are going to put fws to the distribution, we should put it into just > ISO as some firmwares (8260 and 9260 fws) take 2MB of space. Putting this > big of files into the repo is not a good idea. > >> There WILL be a point where it's going to be either old >> or missing. > > Speaking of old... OpenBSD's fw tarball is outdated, they provide version > 34 I think for 8260+ series but 8260's latest version is 36 and 9260 has > version 46!!!!!!!! See: > > https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/ > >> Maybe something like OpenBSD does where a tool will try to download the >> firmwares after installation? > > The purpose of the diff was for the people who can access internet only > through > wifi and their card requires fw. > > > > > > >