From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26035 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2020 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from ewsd.inri.net (107.191.116.128) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 30 Nov 2020 09:37:59 -0000 Received: from mail-ed1-f68.google.com ([209.85.208.68]) by ewsd; Mon Nov 30 04:34:23 -0500 2020 Received: by mail-ed1-f68.google.com with SMTP id y4so15059111edy.5 for <9front@9front.org>; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:34:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5hcO4qheLoC//y3B0EbFWX6IhvkLYAyYw+qTlA2xkLE=; b=Kom9j7BYz7baa3GmrgzUHVPsFatNmthQjCxpHBBActyjQGvFdTVnIxw86ges/5TCt+ HZp8Dy+fOz3mzTiME1X3KxCwGpIQQMnrxWYq0cIfkT2BxopWVWzqNl45XKSxD89oeyso i/CsM0qsZPfN63Ji33oHG1p+ZrVSrRm0lAXDcS0RJkbZ79SSdTg+MQlDm2Ff9AlK+9Cl yRYUa4VGsD9UmFBh4Vl7B6UpeiBc1l8RMhYDEBWTmKuP1abVfrU2aRsco1J/00HgHaC8 nD+5Je502jRgdG9MCMx3XXZ9AboduU/i0TPMz4/cEslKQ6OPrJxf+QH5a54bhkGxEqVJ 6YkQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5hcO4qheLoC//y3B0EbFWX6IhvkLYAyYw+qTlA2xkLE=; b=oKkx6DdPj/wvoiQkFSDxSvhHgdaZ7h6D9BJXFjT1DHkoYCarRET2HMXWhJLTRwBQsl DA/LS5F2cyvl70dU86ejgHLMnvSHpgAO5j9je/j+c9uF12LHGnpTUd2IhgneIB3wYlcG z/N8sHpZgWI5l4OAwqQ5yZKsdyklKmhsfZwbMCmT2Oe1k/qYQRxRC2lWq5XkKOzACx8R 6x9XUxVKRP4fMYGxkCGebeJ8K7JSsk2/1GGf3XnBrV8XEmK8sX1BbZKOd0yBQRkqc35f a8G7DHH1e8+MqIkoEJFfgbZmfe39vShAM6K6+4eq3KYAf1VUaJrvLZ65m3r2MC0h0+5J 7wDA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532vhCGzc5Pay3/hqxx5qaBrNKeWFdFCqtdXgiORLUwJqM8Y87ig VYMJU1lGEGI2pixg1YK4a05PeYqOTb3Y9PJbsp5R6W8YHHI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwiIEDSv+cSpU6Alh+/oTHeoHMUG4N+n266dOHKinAT1ugQ95pbggiUFXLmuYRZgZ6LLu/jNSKRj6jSEEdCtmM= X-Received: by 2002:a50:8326:: with SMTP id 35mr19699940edh.294.1606728853863; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:34:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:907:217b:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 01:34:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 10:34:13 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: table hosting-scale optimizer Subject: Re: [9front] /dev/draw performance Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk nobody said anything about people being inferior. obviously when the next generation of people stampedes into the unix room they might do thinks differently. they might have different goals and different visions. the can be less consistent than before. the more people that are involved the less coherence. so there are enough non-personal reasons that explain it. regardless i would love to hear the actual personal reasons. cause i'm curious. and want to understand and learn from their vision, and possibly a kind of pragmatism they applied that I still lack in this regard. i am waiting for a good excuse. i asked for it on 9fans, but nobody came to admit having written the code in the first place. if you are on better speaking terms... there's lots of people like me eager to listen to their answers. On 11/30/20, Steve Simon wrote: > > quote: =E2=80=9CThe current windowing/graphics setup with /dev/draw as a= kernel > device and rio itself was implemented after Thompson, Ritchie, and Pike l= eft > Bell Labs and others thought the window system needed optimizing.=E2=80= =9D > > This is not my memory. > > work on plan9 switched to Brazil in 95, i believe it was seen as an > experimental branch to try some major changes. the switch from 81/2 to ri= o > and the new /dev/draw model was a major part of this. This was back porte= d > to plan9 in time for the 3rd release in 2000 - just around the time many > left the labs. > > I am not saying rio cannot be improved, but characterising it as inferior > work by inferior people is (i feel) unfair and incorrect. > > -Steve > >