From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4457 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2021 15:00:17 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 10 Oct 2021 15:00:17 -0000 Received: from mail-vs1-f45.google.com ([209.85.217.45]) by 4ess; Sun Oct 10 10:54:02 -0400 2021 Received: by mail-vs1-f45.google.com with SMTP id l22so13612623vsq.9 for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:53:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=E73Ebu5Gorvfkjcd4pnngNv/+tDOzZTCrrKM4K0iEII=; b=M46Q6BPbI5XwVc6eJLduk/2FvPrSAGWcDxnlP1dZeCU6n+dX9QtCZF6CUMdtFISvi9 j2PzrXpUdAV5GdPoU4FVwzrnF9yeLovTRb72ACXLupEGmfqI+V0D3+5Jd9UQgD2rAWID DLDVN3AffKvhsN0zxCAorhNy3u+E1HGrGq7LArTUT6zGFO4Z7C9/E8X+8XZ2uyhp+UB5 AeEeuM00k9yyF3eoPTJw+UhI/85+vOYF9Bl7gxR/EPhzHQtt89lJqDJk8PzRoZ/j4U4I QB4sAjiIhg57okSlSmoVF5XXQmp1aUbJBRjnz8o0sE8rdFW8gPJH6sSkMQORHhyX6aLW IY1g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=E73Ebu5Gorvfkjcd4pnngNv/+tDOzZTCrrKM4K0iEII=; b=8HyZCXE7LVt/HBKGYXfbGyoE0D5wSp92y7DezVXsQ6U6uzMdOpsYTTvKSHxgGdNcWN jNxStF2S+L2/0W5cFTh1n0VCgGmw4BFn4ZBfctvk46H+wX2zzA2XKYky3aONceYIeKCj vgX25Lp6M7SaaKc5SAF/s8xtwIaDKNAdbMbUdInI1B4FEm/AMGrgEhje0F8XXiWSRXth HHQi+HtI+DwrJakaM7rtqP8HdMNQSlsvqN66+m0zRYJm+2uqAWFZNu9TLQxSuoxJrNtU jmZwynKDxrU1qNfFdaKvOKfXtGaCtKQjsUtAGQ0m1ECtsGHNRidl1lEb2L45iUfjy2d/ OtOg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530TI0QSzNiqre0Gn3lvJRUF2yyGqhIHTgyRivw/7Z4kIAskiVF+ eSJBaHj+E+iJteTJQC0l6MuOOmHeNjXL5eHKM2jvFxJhsH4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyEIQT3fDIZ4O0kGwQpgrps6iSacomO03clTNOJDE4j9CZEqeidHgtj7T7jyqpE4avDMaamy3VCbdSuBEWNkjM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ea0b:: with SMTP id g11mr20369729vso.2.1633877635749; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:53:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a59:b6ed:0:b0:236:17d0:850e with HTTP; Sun, 10 Oct 2021 07:53:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1FEDF913F9FC55C72BF98FA67420A07B@9p.sdf.org> References: <1FEDF913F9FC55C72BF98FA67420A07B@9p.sdf.org> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 16:53:55 +0200 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: STM-scale metadata full-stack backend Subject: Re: [9front] 19,21 ARM Dev Summit and porting to Solid-Run hardware Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > What you say about industry practices is true from your point of view. ok. > Maybe the 99% is invisible to you and the people in the small niches you > know of. 99% of what? what are you talking about? you mean HPC is a small niche? not saying it is not, just trying to clarify your opinion here. > I understand the Fujitsu Fugaku Arm chip tops HPC for now. You mean any good HPC can only be done cheaply/efficiently on "Fujitsu Fugaku" platform? I have not been informed of this development, what is the source of your claim? or do i misunderstand? > I know ...from your point of view. > Tesla uses Red Hat in what way are they using red hat. is red hat working for them for free? is there something irregular about their customer relationship? red hat has many customers, why is it important whether tesla is one of them, would it make any difference to HPC if tesla used microsoft software to confuse the moon with the truck? >, NASA and others use AWS why does it matter that NASA uses AWS? we already know that somebody clearly uses AWS, the more significant number would be the amount of dollars of AWS revenue. i bet your point is that AWS makes money. > and you can't say Tesla has not > transformed autotech. tesla certainly has not transformed anything relevant, apart from those cop cars that it flattened bec. it's shitty optical pattern recognition cannot detect the warning lights. > For me a happy outcome would be to score resources from ARM and Solid-Run > for 9front devs to work on, charming the marketing execs and their aspirated > visions for the future we all want to have is fine by me. i don't think there's anything those marketing execs can do about increasing their shitty company's lack of documention. the main developers have enough funds to buy a shitty arm cpu out of their pocket money. again, the problem here is not the lack of hardware or lack of money, it's the lack of documentation. but go ahead and contact solid-run and explain that to them if you like. if successful we will be very glad. if you like to reverse-engineer things, feel free. but keep in mind how much effort it was for the rpi, and that was barely worth it, only the rpi4 manages to provide it's basic function, sometimes. greetings