From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 26207 invoked from network); 4 Mar 2021 11:31:54 -0000 Received: from 1ess.inri.net (216.126.196.35) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 4 Mar 2021 11:31:54 -0000 Received: from mail-ej1-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49]) by 1ess; Thu Mar 4 06:04:46 -0500 2021 Received: by mail-ej1-f49.google.com with SMTP id c10so22035322ejx.9 for <9front@9front.org>; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 03:04:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=HnxnZTWlnGUJjtevQtpa4Tu8inDNU/sUOxRngXDx9JM=; b=QWzY6b4nz7jsLqY0ZA8g4dDzKead5AyiPAlk43t0XKndVgh2FV2m6WQHanyfzlqW27 hqhZ6XHxA9iBdw7/fmVaiPRtezTyYLuO1Q2oJTMhlpdHa2013sWaWTBjsP4AWnsB+9q5 +THJdmLn6xQn0lfZqYM6nGp7bOsVm6R2UXeTtX8rROo/J9p6/tqdrHDVLXFVPYiN4WhL tRIaP/FVGDSt6U6nnHBn2Xp7UgBWdyhNCwuPrg0Rt1aawGedAwyjazrHthqafofR1Cl9 pWUuj5bnGUd6ti+aKGHQPIu9a41SkmVCDSQnIVM0WNhnlESpEmAJVhrv/hnqA6INASOl +poA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HnxnZTWlnGUJjtevQtpa4Tu8inDNU/sUOxRngXDx9JM=; b=ddBV8qTsHI1RPldrMcsbR+10H7nmzrozih4iCO32bnR8PJMvgPju+Vf5fixlmY4LTv Ve8VVmzgfNlioLuT3j9GaBq3LS7FqqqYzzDqBGLawsbJUYreDmTNwv6LQrBbm8a0tQ1T 2OdVyeYcFpNnI0A/4gm4K3M3COCEveTJ1YT4gc7Pom9xWc6g/liaUlojKx0wWr46hdFz KxAlFuae7aXWf9MIl3Y2ntpr6AHZLY4C6JAUF4o2pDLZcf6X0ik6vdZt4wxO9nD0I7/J hQgdHFJqsEL9vomLf3Jt72Ou9YMRu/F0iWR/fmbIuoISeuTOmhgBaAybHEIZGZp4vPaN S3zQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531rV+phnKD1DJZr2ndi8ZKAzK0WXy6aGDiY0mFM3hQCwA/ysVYF 0S5QO2mr/8YCmfFm+X7bTI6lEB2Lgxqll4XNvGC7dXNQTFI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJya8ac24pE7A60bjGpslvlFmWXj+j/kHO5KCHq98GxbL7SwuqUtzbQeQeLg7Y4n3Fp6DmcPeY/ZBhQANDnuaJ0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:75c7:: with SMTP id jl7mr3714152ejc.191.1614855876862; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 03:04:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a17:906:4486:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Mar 2021 03:04:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8F461D18-758E-4E6D-B5E4-9188C9B2DD61@me.com> References: <9EAB7D15-0A8B-4B7C-87FA-D37B0DA0E168@me.com> <3238f626-0230-be85-acf7-4887e67a5e0f@typed-hole.org> <26A8DA0D-848E-4C24-AACC-BBBB613FFDC8@me.com> <8F461D18-758E-4E6D-B5E4-9188C9B2DD61@me.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 12:04:36 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: scale-out factory package SVG over AJAX property markup STM control Subject: Re: [9front] rpi4 wifi USB dongle Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk yeah you got it right. it's hard to find good terminology that still makes sense in all this. on ethernet all nodes are the same, addressed by MAC addresses. on wifi a station can only use one mac address, so bridges never work on wifi stations but only on ap side, of which there can only be one. On 3/4/21, Daniel Morandini wrote: >> An ethernet client is a computer with a mac address. >> >> Given you have a group of M clients and another group of N clients and >> you want to connect them, plug the M clients into a switch with M+1 >> ports on one side and the N clients into a switch with N+1 ports on >> the other side, then use the remaining port and a long cable to >> connect them together. >> >> Imagine now the M-AP is a wifi router, and you want to connect it to > the N (not AP) over wifi. >> >> but here when wifi comes into play not every client is the same. you >> have many wifi stations and just one wifi *ap*, if we make M-AP the >> wifi AP, you can bridge all the M clients just fine. that works on AP >> side. > You mean =E2=80=9Cthat works on M side" right? > >> But if you want to bridge a wifi *station* on the other side, you can >> not. a station can only bridge N=3D1 mac addresses into a wifi. > I=E2=80=99m getting there: practically I would have to make N-AP connect = as a > client to M-AP to keep the only one ap limitation, but at that point > the new link would not be able to mux more than one ethernet client > becoming useless for my usecase, did I get it right? > >> We have some code in 9front called mat damon, which is like NAT, but >> for MAC addresses instead of IP addresses. This way one mac address >> can hide all the N other mac addresses and translate between them. But >> that's obviously a layer violation, a stupid hack that only exists due >> to the limitation of wifi. > :D > > dan