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On 8/31/21, Pavel Renev <an2qzavok@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a half-backed DOMfs:
> http://git.nsmpr.xyz/domfs/files.html
> but it just represents documents as a flat list of numbered nodes (the way
> rio serves its windows) and their hierarchy is provided through a separate
> file.
>
> The challenge with xml/html is that unlike traditional file trees their
> elements do not have unique names and instead addressed by their order.
> Additionaly, element's attributes often play bigger role than text data they
> contain.
> Style also can override tree hierarchy when it comes to rendering, and when
> it comes to javascript, programs look up needed elements via global search
> by id and usually only care about element's immediate parent/children.
>
> TL;DR: the tree is a lie.
> Maybe serving html via some kind of database query interface would be
> better.
>

why not do like xpath? numbers can signify order.
we don't support javascript anyway, so the tree wouldn't really change
under our feet...