Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[hiro]

this does sound tempting.
if one were not to get this, it must be because one may plan to
considerably improve those man pages in the very near future...
thanks, and keep up the good work :)

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Joe M]

Hello Sl,

Just want to make sure that they are not missing commands at the end(?)

Thanks

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 8:41 AM <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>
> 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES
> ========================================================
>
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>
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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Stanley Lieber]

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yes, i verified all the commands are present this time.

sl


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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Joe M]

Hello Stanley,

Would you consider a book for the important papers too? I can help
with compiling the list.

Thanks

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:07 AM Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>
> yes, i verified all the commands are present this time.
>
> sl
>

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Stanley Lieber]

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A book with the papers is not out of the question, though I’m not certain about the licensing. Is anything missing from /sys/doc?

sl

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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Joe M]

Hello Stanley,

I could not find these in /sys/doc (maybe I did not look hard enough)

1. Ed Tutorial
2. Sam tutorial
3. troff tutorial
4. Typesetter-independent troff (troff paper?. The Troff user manual
is in /sys/doc as troff.ps)
5. tbl
6. Structured Regular Expressions
7. ubiquitous file server by C H Forsyth
8. upas
9. Lexical filenames, Getting dot-dot right
10. A Cached WORM File System
11. SamCommands.pdf
12. yacc paper
13. Typing documents on the unix system: using the -ms and -mcs Macros
with Troff
14. original unix paper

Thanks

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:50 AM Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>
> A book with the papers is not out of the question, though I’m not certain about the licensing. Is anything missing from /sys/doc?
>
> sl

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Joe M]

Also, these seem relevant.

http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/README
http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/new_c_compilers/
http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/papers/panel/
http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/pikestyle

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:08 PM Joe M <joe9mail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Stanley,
>
> I could not find these in /sys/doc (maybe I did not look hard enough)
>
> 1. Ed Tutorial
> 2. Sam tutorial
> 3. troff tutorial
> 4. Typesetter-independent troff (troff paper?. The Troff user manual
> is in /sys/doc as troff.ps)
> 5. tbl
> 6. Structured Regular Expressions
> 7. ubiquitous file server by C H Forsyth
> 8. upas
> 9. Lexical filenames, Getting dot-dot right
> 10. A Cached WORM File System
> 11. SamCommands.pdf
> 12. yacc paper
> 13. Typing documents on the unix system: using the -ms and -mcs Macros
> with Troff
> 14. original unix paper
>
> Thanks
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:50 AM Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> >
> > A book with the papers is not out of the question, though I’m not certain about the licensing. Is anything missing from /sys/doc?
> >
> > sl

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Joe M]

and, maybe this too.

http://unix-kb.cat-v.org/


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:23 PM Joe M <joe9mail@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Also, these seem relevant.
>
> http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/README
> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/new_c_compilers/
> http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/2nd_edition/papers/panel/
> http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/pikestyle
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 1:08 PM Joe M <joe9mail@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Stanley,
> >
> > I could not find these in /sys/doc (maybe I did not look hard enough)
> >
> > 1. Ed Tutorial
> > 2. Sam tutorial
> > 3. troff tutorial
> > 4. Typesetter-independent troff (troff paper?. The Troff user manual
> > is in /sys/doc as troff.ps)
> > 5. tbl
> > 6. Structured Regular Expressions
> > 7. ubiquitous file server by C H Forsyth
> > 8. upas
> > 9. Lexical filenames, Getting dot-dot right
> > 10. A Cached WORM File System
> > 11. SamCommands.pdf
> > 12. yacc paper
> > 13. Typing documents on the unix system: using the -ms and -mcs Macros
> > with Troff
> > 14. original unix paper
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 10:50 AM Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > A book with the papers is not out of the question, though I’m not certain about the licensing. Is anything missing from /sys/doc?
> > >
> > > sl

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Stanley Lieber]

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We don’t really have permission to publish all these papers, especially not the ones that don’t ship with the GPLv2 release of Plan 9. The man pages are source code that ship with the system. Most of these papers are not; and even the ones that do ship with the system may be subject to copyright by their authors.

sl


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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> We don't really have permission to publish all these papers, espe=
> cially not the ones that don't ship with the GPLv2 release of Pla=
> n 9. The man pages are source code that ship with the system. Most of the=
> se papers are not; and even the ones that do ship with the system may be =
> subject to copyright by their authors.

I would think that everything that shipped with 3ed or later Plan
9 distributions is subject to the same (release-specific) LICENSE
coverage, subject to the noted license exceptions.  But I don't
recall seeing any exceptions in relation to anything in /sys/doc.

--lyndon

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Stanley Lieber]

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the papers not included with the system are definitely not covered by its license.

sl


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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

Stanley Lieber writes:

> the papers not included with the system are definitely not covered by its lic
> ense.

True, but I thought I spotted some on the list that were part of 3ed
but dropped from 4ed.  I don't have a 3ed here to compare to, so I'm
going strictly on fuzzy memories.

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

Seriously, though, a copyright suit needs to show actual loss
of income.  There's no chance in hell that any entity-of-the-week
that purports to own any 1990s UNIX IP could claim a loss from anybody
reprinting a bunch of papers that never were marketed for sale.

Okay, there were the 9th and 10th edition manuals.  You, me, and maybe
200 others bought copies.  They have been out of print for decades.  No
loss of income could ever be imputed.

--lyndon

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Kurt H Maier]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 07:29:07PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> Seriously, though, a copyright suit needs to show actual loss
> of income.  There's no chance in hell that any entity-of-the-week
> that purports to own any 1990s UNIX IP could claim a loss from anybody
> reprinting a bunch of papers that never were marketed for sale.
> 
> Okay, there were the 9th and 10th edition manuals.  You, me, and maybe
> 200 others bought copies.  They have been out of print for decades.  No
> loss of income could ever be imputed.
> 
> --lyndon

are you offering to pay to litigate this

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Lyndon Nerenberg]

> are you offering to pay to litigate this

Watching all this go down, I've been tempted to put together a set of
self-published manual sets.  So the answer might well be "yes".
>
>

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Kurt H Maier]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 09:06:17PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
> > are you offering to pay to litigate this
> 
> Watching all this go down, I've been tempted to put together a set of
> self-published manual sets.  So the answer might well be "yes".

I'd buy em, but I wouldn't defend em

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Stanley Lieber]

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maybe the answer is to publish as many versions as possible.

sl

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Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Julius Schmidt]

> Seriously, though, a copyright suit needs to show actual loss
> of income.

No, that's not actually true. As far as I know, in the US, copyright 
infringement constitutes injury-in-fact, whether or not any loss of income 
incurred. Courts can award $750-$150,000 per work of 'statutory damages' 
as well. I think you may be thinking of criminal liability, which can be 
absent even when there is a civil liability.

IANAL yadayadayada.

Re: [9front] 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES

[Kurt H Maier]

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 11:40:36AM -0400, sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
> 9FRONT RETURNS TO PRINT WITH STUNNING NINE VOLUME SERIES
> ========================================================
> 
> Stun a burglar by hurling one volume after another at the unsuspecting intruder. Stun yourself by actually learning something. Sell them later at a profit.

I ordered two sets, so that my children won't have to fight over
inheriting them.

khm