From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11757 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2023 19:14:02 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 9 Sep 2023 19:14:02 -0000 Received: from mail-oo1-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52]) by 9front; Sat Sep 9 15:12:40 -0400 2023 Received: by mail-oo1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-56e280cc606so614153eaf.1 for <9front@9front.org>; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 12:12:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694286757; x=1694891557; darn=9front.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zzxKt13Pg6F1yFdXP/bHiUihHwiVDSu0+s3RRpFuNK4=; b=dfOTiRc1rSfflsYXyBPlktcpjGkEe+37wOH+kxP3rKWE+/RDqT9qZUdgxmEshCulCy cI3YNZEJyZUDuGu1Tc0AeCUt3XR7bjLH/l42J87kCPBxMeczM6hAKhwl1HDjAlGqP1ur c8O50IHOtoaLzFyuqZUnKcjZHPI3DUXdOSec9X/2lFgrlxx3mivYn4Yg7ey1bNztRj61 RB7tpbWjsoad6jRn46RooD4Wwp2qI+98mmAn3YPopXwns72NrW7pEkjexYxijAijm/3B G28lZYIUwNPl9nAhJjRcAFCRp5UUTXe1kstnd5ak7L0ok1lqpR6b++mudsAHRgL8GOxZ qclw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694286757; x=1694891557; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zzxKt13Pg6F1yFdXP/bHiUihHwiVDSu0+s3RRpFuNK4=; b=VnB9j/PON015M3pnBv6b0dNs/GIMxigyzHvtjhQKpVVDLdfQwIG1GhmidiXcsnCk+G T5KUHCsoT61P4iKLLu3GA9qawKhxAn/GmwAIiEceDg1b5sXrYeghtZ4gI7bejHXcThEC V4phAWcxigUHROUJ0x9f6T7BTXD/3QjUvhLhFHNbCwKBqWvAtsRGs9PDsIcvOiid7uup 6tl78/E/vRhuo71K4zln8gaR8tWUf3xT5AV8FcLVmtHzDRaTA3ahXdw/s4j2jOV3WK2v Nsu4Al7ycJWTr6UU1sGm2yicrck80IMuCegc0Qg507nGZMJTHljPDTEZAi6uN/CVEYU3 Dcxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz4UppnqeOM6jaekT/wfO2dE23BwUKJxoQuhOMDnmZ+X/UqlxUQ lVUDnJICKCCUwfL60fLlS6VB393kCEIFiVD/DJRod+12 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFiXtp1wMV7dXNR8UA4LIWkbhgJLkZHiR6XizwmyArLFSf9St+m+KmcWqD4x7jriTObhz6XA3ebN+DuWGsEUW4= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7188:0:b0:6b8:6a58:78ca with SMTP id o8-20020a9d7188000000b006b86a5878camr5658429otj.3.1694286757377; Sat, 09 Sep 2023 12:12:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1e43:b0:6c0:9e14:e5d1 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Sep 2023 12:12:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0f6789ab-2bab-42df-a060-469256492df3@sirjofri.de> References: <0f6789ab-2bab-42df-a060-469256492df3@sirjofri.de> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2023 21:12:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: managed overflow-preventing configuration YAML pipelining template strategy singleton Subject: Re: [9front] Survey: Plan 9 and touch user interfaces Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > When you think about computer systems with touchscreen interfaces, about > which of the following systems do you think immediately? Tell me more about > your thoughts of the others. only one smartphone touchscreen interface ever convinced me: the BB10 and at that, it wasn't perfect, because the integration of the touchscreen went too deeply, so for example for hanging up a call you had to touch the screen, even though there would have been enough physical buttons. the way that you swiped up and then sideways to change between running applications was intuitive and even the animation felt natural and like it added consistency (i.e. not just eye candy). android did indeed finally barely manage to attempt imitating that. sadly they failed at it. the cursor to select text worked well, too, also especially in combination with the hardware shift button. never experienced working selection on a touchscreen ever since. which is ironic because pointing at things on a 2d canvas and swiping around on things to select them would seem like the natural application of a touchscreen to me. everything else so far seems to be a very elaborate joke. so definitely use some BB10 phone for a while to experience the full extent of how well touchscreens *could* have been. i used to think palm pre was nice for similar reasons, but it didn't surpass current android, never reached the consistency of BB10. if you haven't tried it, you will be doomed to reinvent all the errors from basic principles.