From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 11770 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2023 08:07:44 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 5 Jun 2023 08:07:44 -0000 Received: from mail-pf1-f171.google.com ([209.85.210.171]) by 9front; Mon Jun 5 04:04:38 -0400 2023 Received: by mail-pf1-f171.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-657c4bcad0bso322123b3a.1 for <9front@9front.org>; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 01:04:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1685952276; x=1688544276; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NW+SR+1Tlehnq6el2gGrYOkzSnGv9wzwsERicOBrI0A=; b=B3rORuwghOKEsa2RTzrTWwS5TAwB8eezZv5JB5nc9GeyF5siFc7y4yPmZ8i+W/Bly/ Nzxvm5I3T9pD2EMHQ0TjOK653nAdaInzkolPwhR9DqaXTBZo51saFZCVQr/B7Yoi9nSz gH0nNFpAnM7YevdE/kcw2SINFCmf3oq0HoCjWBOmDxNTJb7W7kB9F/4uqW6VBc9Ju7OZ b1sHUhUqx8ST+tx9VMhOqVa6ni5yJZI5UFbehANduFKZP8Mry1vSqBqlOu6xsJPwE+F2 0LPGIF8JYu3T4CeqpJMqSMVOmBlFXdC1Y2vpbWPf4EUkCxzWHrbPvtlwSzTr9muBNy6B RI8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1685952276; x=1688544276; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:references:in-reply-to:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NW+SR+1Tlehnq6el2gGrYOkzSnGv9wzwsERicOBrI0A=; b=UwXkqJaLbuoMBJJCMFxGersGtwnWWAKE51MYVDHEvTaQjbqToD2fqnnDS2joYfn3E+ fI6yX65IE4l0drjsWpMDcmtjMQFEkQ9sfkRcTfGlmdK+yFyFAVhGzkQ+uoH9IfILF7g6 vkiwt6CGhtwDb1KAEJvKmh0h5gyviCMNWLOgi2war8VN9fderbfuI5JAeo77o/zNHYtW Dr2tX7rNM0guUX1nYkjEt+KssCA/nhCxGa7Fi/3j0VdhUws2WrzeoiL4dWBsQFPMVino q0aAeJ2dCwIzVr2QbOfeMy4W84Izwhxv+qUpRvWMwr/ML3LF0zacDDyITpbEw2cCfUX4 amjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AC+VfDx7vXWIJdFjUbpWBpXCHNArsigrv7OKrEOG3pdQM9BlBQ6JCYaT pzyp2zeCBWxbxXnSzoLBIa3tDaLtNlEy0nBGc2edjCBV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACHHUZ6xNs6ELyvoorWlQ3O9lWzJ3PnhfbfN6aDb1D3/X5Y8UU5l3BtoUWaJk4OPNC5R18riVJUD+grjbkcKLTbmHfM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:381b:b0:6b1:6c4b:fb0 with SMTP id bh27-20020a056830381b00b006b16c4b0fb0mr1393902otb.2.1685951797159; Mon, 05 Jun 2023 00:56:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:5f13:0:b0:6ab:3652:8298 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Jun 2023 00:56:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83CC67F1-547F-48BA-92AF-302D35CB97E2@stanleylieber.com> References: <83CC67F1-547F-48BA-92AF-302D35CB97E2@stanleylieber.com> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2023 09:56:36 +0200 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: proven scripting app realtime-java database Subject: Re: [9front] Free Carrots #6: Tools For Fighting WiFi Inequality Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > i get different kinds of transient problems depending on different > combinations of factors, but the disparity between mpcie and m.2 cards is > pretty consistent. i don't know if the type of pci connection really matters > at all, or if it's just a coincidence that these newer cards suddenly > perform so much worse precisely when they switched to m.2. > i'm 99% sure it's coincidence, the pcie version or connector shape shouldn't matter. > yes, wifi sucks, but the same hardware us usable for my tasks on other > operating systems, but sucks with 9front. this to me suggests that wifi > sucking isn't the whole story. latency hurts our 9p throughput even more if it is combined with the typical wifi packet-loss/retransmissions. that's definitely unique to 9p and thus 9front. apart from that, our drivers lack higher throughput modes like HT and VHT. i pointed out before that ath5k was generally quite nice hardware, might be worth targeting, but the more we wait, the more it's worth skipping all this stuff and going straight to devices that support the 6ghz band instead.