From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243FC30A16 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:43:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from mail-oa1-f53.google.com ([209.85.160.53]) by 9front; Tue Oct 29 13:40:34 -0400 2024 Received: by mail-oa1-f53.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-2887abeefbdso2713014fac.0 for <9front@9front.org>; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:40:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1730223631; x=1730828431; darn=9front.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=6sgbjW9U3oMXgqqGWqKGkMrL1wEIr/z0S8pVNl5Waxs=; b=hzra6sv8wXtMK5OXnn5QeRY+4vPfFcpv3GpE6nNR6jXa1JdundGOaaO5N6xSHCL0In VkwWY2+znb8XyLJzIq0LdZCiTpvNfp/5HVFrI09o/Yea+NB+GduDW/7CxK64a5ui5/Sc 4lWeZpnxIchzvStqcfKKxOPRMbi063TuCP38iySRodagjodvX784ZcYj3nxbdWvFnWQh FrrolcB6l7svBskjdDmfagXtqMmrBEfM2ktG0kfm7KUF6yXbORtgQErZIpXhlQjFAhbW lHoXgfiqOZjdwgNP0Qfh87L5JwEojPFIluZY4fMvI6fwzlUiKYpUyGK+TkF0tVkEboHy Ug4w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1730223631; x=1730828431; h=content-transfer-encoding:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6sgbjW9U3oMXgqqGWqKGkMrL1wEIr/z0S8pVNl5Waxs=; b=SoWMji87V+2Cg+7W4NfChCacgYScxASUDdYT11G+gYPyQN+vkD3toVGWIsf2nyrsZV rrxR5DN9PEgfkeix5uIZnlBh48eJZdD8AAaPFaHG/gGWM1BuUJi8EZFGZbNgsCyWdRUb rgbbp/xPoSR/ugzIThCIqkpdAf07ekTZClpkxlwvjtDywS4hQGI4NnKRxwU8IEp4nPtI zbm7itDZ8JqIWM06yr+9SjRIpFdbCQCJIfBRT0gNBOwSF+uB07ManWJudN1bTUkPSkhg sfkX+NX7jsbaZMtDbJ64RYMyt6N08RwsU4xiDgaG82m34Eksbx0460npZiRPwxv1F1Dn j7eg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyNJxyD9J3ZStcGcS5dG/Fy3mbl00QsuGGkXYFZPwEAP/LYIvpI PHMKcCiiTs0oBhJUIVqYhgMdFuAioJpJ19uSuMiQD//UwdqqOv9XQdLeobqr+KsCjNu9j0z8Rk5 7kcy6uSI9WdY+yN3KDnMYpG9chkZCQA4G X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFQ9axMkXtm+0EnsBkQpotJ5DYR+O/sc5zt4Fxpor2m7HFf7JOmOyGDYnIiutTrs2rQbb0WQpIZ6l/qB5iJciw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:e0cb:b0:288:5f71:4e71 with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-29051db63ffmr11044755fac.44.1730223631310; Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:40:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <588564A0F1AB6824ED04551648A54C37@cranky.ca> In-Reply-To: From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2024 18:40:21 +0100 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: reduce/map reduce/map method reduce/map-based database Subject: Re: [9front] Bug or inconsistency in cursor behaviour? Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk your fingers are correct to reject this cybernetic failure. proper thought into how to improve this sad resulting human intellect has ceased 40 years ago. On Tue, Oct 29, 2024 at 4:18=E2=80=AFPM Scott Flowers = wrote: > > I am declaring my fingers' inability to get used to the existing behaviou= r in rio and acme to be a human software bug, and I'm keeping my patch on m= y machines. As Sigrid once said, "it's your system, do what you want." > > Scott > > On Tue, 29 Oct 2024, at 03:59, hiro wrote: > > > There is a logical argument to the Plan 9 behavior: First, the cursor > > > disappears when you make a selection because the cursor *IS* the > > > selection. > > > > may i point out that this is the perceived behavior on windows due to > > common vision limitations? the designers were aware of this visual > > difficulty or they wouldn't have made the cursor blink. yet the edge > > becomes nearly-undetectable in the edge-case of selection. who knows > > if they ever noticed the lack of intuition in this pattern? > > > > regardless there remains a logic i feel some plan9 folks might not > > know about: the blinking cursor helps suggest whether selection will > > be added to or removed from via keyboard actions > > (shift-left/shift-right), a feature that does not exist on plan9. > > otherwise it exclusively confuses the well-sighted. at least in some > > applications: i'm not sure if rob pike managed to infiltrate the > > mozilla headquarters and forced them to remove that cursor, but it's > > missing in my firefox. > >