From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3627324065 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 21:50:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-pl1-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182]) by 9front; Wed May 8 15:47:11 -0400 2024 Received: by mail-pl1-f182.google.com with SMTP id d9443c01a7336-1ece1f3c626so55965ad.2 for <9front@9front.org>; Wed, 08 May 2024 12:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1715197627; x=1715802427; darn=9front.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zlByAy4S/C9o03f8nEaRX/MFZKBjWtHOFrOvQPNSW0A=; b=jH7P7exCDOF3IwzP3VJaqy/GEeWEdITy33ltcRPcBU7ZmV5u9EbIvr0fSYfUDFts8v EbeXXwmP0Onx17N9q4WVWuxsGJbbXsV3XlXoAyiBS1ZxR1UNTWXMo6p1VmltY6ES/u5/ 4qNev/CZFvH3Szp43DVWcnzlyWlICbKIP/6duwRk0CIBxBaaWaPWtzd3nuEjsjybW1VN 5DrInxuT891pkjMFJpLmQiNYkBYDhRHhtrMfIIxlHdxwbihm9SgBRMYU2ALEkC1PVcK5 WBgjzuUzRLA38ocmKBTIZvF7Io8Jgt5o1bc0NpdtQ4Phs7SlABBK6B/H83lBaxyGjuRx nDsA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715197627; x=1715802427; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=zlByAy4S/C9o03f8nEaRX/MFZKBjWtHOFrOvQPNSW0A=; b=qtYSCwYldQUrMe0lWBqQtSatpSanchHA/bqM7yB0Quwi3nMfpLjjmm7/onhntWfvdv GhIc8SLyro2PXOi8kUwHoddBDJEPl//AVQR451r9eh9fwCc5YIzh6Y5AFVG7VCP3BmF1 ONyTOcvydZPWAzJMOx9jmhzD5ACJLRHeyx6gjbGFd81iVVLuK1iQ3XZ3cCyMyNHw0nwc vLrvv27htM+++YllcHj3F0YynBPmXm7DZU086mSwSKX327rPnvKNqtFecrK4F5vBEReR ifqa9cxlQYEPJmnLM+dOQ+AUT+ylX7ji/pkmh1qoWFNRWt6GI7O9y9dfOd0Y1F3I88Vr pnRA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yy0f6pYL2xTOWKyKNTG48kAcRrla5tEW9IxnDOTrhHU6fKzTM7K FJXdb3Ynao+1eGzaa/yyGSEimtohieg3PpCNEb6qygLUSm53b0wotQLjdOPDGb4AhHc6qQy73dD iIMJ6akL0dN+d6QIXFQZaApKql8vVn/jZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEFBWwXrSNZ2a3jt55ANuwL8oKF66H/ZiR/Jzx1GGZfxtKlocQgXfzQH0eG5oDsR6ZnPSQGx6FHnHy2ZrvvopM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:f3a8:b0:1af:93cc:860a with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1afc8e44497mr3500911637.6.1715197627099; Wed, 08 May 2024 12:47:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <959A32F8-1D62-4FEE-8E33-E46AFAA7FB15@quintile.net> In-Reply-To: <959A32F8-1D62-4FEE-8E33-E46AFAA7FB15@quintile.net> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 21:46:55 +0200 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: property-oriented map/reduce element package Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > its not that modern latency is so high it is though, at least in my experience. horrible DSL connections with time interleaving error correction mechanisms, multiple hops of wireless protocols with by design high collision rates, brute-force randomized modulation with resulting packet loss, high interference, cross-talk, multiple layers of unsynchronised retransmission mechanisms to work around all those issues, optimizations for high-throughput, unflexible minimum packet sizes with outbound buffers causing transmission delays (again for throughput optimization), optimizations to reduce packet rates (packet coalescing), buffer-bloat, horrible routing policies, lawful interception resulting in everything being routed through a central point that seemed convenient to the NSA. it was not like this when i was still on dial-up. i see more and more places that have perfect end-user experience to consume netflix, youtube and advertisement, but never try to have a simple voip call over that line, it just doesn't work. packet loss, super high multi-seconds delays, huge jitter... the internet was an error.