From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 662EC24CEF for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 09:25:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]) by 9front; Wed May 8 03:22:42 -0400 2024 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2b620b0662dso122844a91.0 for <9front@9front.org>; Wed, 08 May 2024 00:22:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1715152957; x=1715757757; darn=9front.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nR7yvPhfDFawFdF8sq8oN5Qs7CpvrIB0gdS38V+BzhQ=; b=gxvjAA0FDQa5Lh38wg4AoeHE3U8SlrDRdhrTGIMCPo49e/0vQbB6lBEfoT5ttyToyw WxTGDwK8+GbbtfKBm8ZF2yWNKfHWW9ai2KbnTRUQH+E+487gr7S5t2AdHTVcFrBSc2H7 NXc3dFB9cgJoe5huebpbOumZdQxLwtyQ+E8LWrI46eLo8RfQLzCjPbIpIgAgR2QGUI3F DwSuI+dJx/6HGE7tXpP0dFLJnda4bMZ4mpBTb15QwHTm6nJJ53hRroNMriajOaum6X+4 hRKdOhA0LN+Y0Z0OTJBC/Qh1OGslaLs8XmbLlXn+luwnJnuPrJByqQ0+rCc2EJBGGsgP QOTQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1715152957; x=1715757757; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nR7yvPhfDFawFdF8sq8oN5Qs7CpvrIB0gdS38V+BzhQ=; b=tvbQ6VBaMmCdQkxobYwiSqBxIex0/P3kT/Hex66mjZH8KI4goVtpxLGXTotsX3ppUH sASBxG3UcveepOe77CEE1Xo/iLgrHkH9H1MRZk4H5oK5gDl+fQOLXcvGXADPbZv39BY+ 47LrlHKMm/UPB62AiNLOdFrpP7rWfFhaZ9Yyd8NWRz/E9mNo6udyLaWmIZ1SbGP5UwMt /FVyV6Y5kiEtBYzxH6ITFq3iuUa2xbMajEncW3PYJBNrmLskyzruk3AKgwx/Al2QmHI4 D1NvOdBMQ4r7mHB2r6tdLrIyyx6qI7ePBdUEH/FHWpbVTyA49kpdU0dE4oRLbIXNsHkw YAow== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz94T3dgCGbYnEXNURJ5B8C36TkPEfpyHS15VzMbzF9qb34PaNn FACL1eN3YxVSRtinGqS6VAA8JxoFaSSAZkB4Q76RHLNfDIuOaO58UFe2/MR9/BWvasO2Ap3x+iQ gweBqQIQYQW6Qdnxjjjs2A2yCKGgqDkR9 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGwpOnyUPJFUg6VRaiMpUCb10XHmN5le8J7qH2PUHin47kBEp6JU5TMosGzpg6nfMTKJNFtEIh8PzFbz4++eSc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:fa02:b0:2b2:4bff:67b7 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2b616ae02a9mr1685219a91.3.1715152956800; Wed, 08 May 2024 00:22:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <102b2835-4207-4f8c-9f29-9da8b459dc2e@posixcafe.org> <5CF629DBC32C6D8D674AE2E07A2F8289@gaff.inri.net> In-Reply-To: <5CF629DBC32C6D8D674AE2E07A2F8289@gaff.inri.net> From: hiro <23hiro@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 09:22:25 +0200 Message-ID: To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: anonymous ActivityPub CSS rich-client general-purpose-scale database Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > the laptop thing in particular is > always funny to me, because in practice it's very similar to that old > situation where bell labs people had slow connections to their terminals > at home. it's too bad ancient terminals weren't battery powered, or > maybe the plan 9 gods would have already put some thought into this. I believe this must have been a party trick mostly. They were likely still required to show up in the office. The latency of these connections was very good, so that's how I explain their lack of optimizations in rio for limiting the amount of roundtrips. Or they used an older version that didn't have the very slow rio yet. And obviously mostly everything was text back then, so no need to fix the roundtrip-bottleneck for high bitrate media like images. If they had our use-case, I don't know if they would have gone for the kind of optimization that I have in mind, as this leads to diminishing returns very fast. Fully meshed, non-centralized distributed systems might be too juicy for them to ignore for solving this kind of problem.