From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 7245 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2022 19:56:22 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 19 Aug 2022 19:56:22 -0000 Received: from mail-pf1-f173.google.com ([209.85.210.173]) by 9front; Fri Aug 19 15:53:19 -0400 2022 Received: by mail-pf1-f173.google.com with SMTP id k14so5221334pfh.0 for <9front@9front.org>; Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc; bh=G0mYBrDWsZUWSvX/HY1NF4JJ0e663KgVdjYEdvtNSQY=; b=DLv/EOuXggpT+fNqlEuiQXMnEKyQWimPCRlVzo0RtY8WwAt9FqGnnifvR6SwZFtw3n CpeRSFWjHYN/sV8XmHeh3ICPJqrr5KWvXGqqixdHfO9OwAzyqYvRX85wnmZVc/3XAxnt SqnluEuwRYKw3/wkJEk3wivVb52Sv7SYB6Uzev56WL5U79kZ86f2ckCntG7ZjACxIfdp KIlQswKofNhsp1MV0gLXuAjdbI20nh5BtKmxIBxDlMHR43SeCHM681i0xcLLqcrfJYLP Q9XitfMU55F1PNruvE4cGXI69HzIOoCBiH6HjxnZN4DWiLJFBSqqzr5x0qsWHXtiiEze VYgg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc; bh=G0mYBrDWsZUWSvX/HY1NF4JJ0e663KgVdjYEdvtNSQY=; b=Hs2NcUw/tDr3EswzsSUe5yS0bU5ocKnzwXWFAJD5iPJQ/ccq9+y1xZg6LaTiIJBVEN D0PGfCpJSW9K4Itdp38IxOXKgI8KWV1xCbL45c+BNsh2MN0UCY2uKc6h6QRb79G5omY2 Ytlurwz7suQ2LVDOpedLA6HMbzSvZdWbebKB55YESNbZJccIz1omjQMGQr7+R9/Ortrf Wd4CuAsNgfLuLSanlzA90VnulBfGkqXMZKfoTzzEWFLJCJsD1kTtoZVmqglSk+0xu/K5 vVXvJuN7rDO5k2rxE+ifPZkTRv4JOWEtt1kA/0iMts82dMOf6WP5YGNptv1pDpEm+NZd YEzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0qFm5VlqaeKvRLp+rs9aF+xnHfIwsXrVZPZaPVrlUsm37XveXQ 6t5zhyUR7CNOuDYw0h3zstNjNLdhxnEGdUMXxruolGZ/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR51uwDq5g65TOd620hIZPCcD4BKi/fQG/l4GmTmc499Ux5V0thUCc9XDOs9SHpKutQZljFzeShh7CHZfFyx35I= X-Received: by 2002:a63:f14c:0:b0:41a:b83d:a636 with SMTP id o12-20020a63f14c000000b0041ab83da636mr7461871pgk.361.1660938794071; Fri, 19 Aug 2022 12:53:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0B86E12FBB1D4FAD7364472E28455060@eigenstate.org> In-Reply-To: From: Thaddeus Woskowiak Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 15:52:39 -0400 Message-ID: To: 9front <9front@9front.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: virtualized shared polling extension markup Subject: Re: [9front] hackathon writeup Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > The syscalls problem isn't that we don't know which ones to implement, > it's that Linux creates and deprecates them at a rate faster than anyone > can keep up with. I am positive this is the case worldwide, not just > for us -- otherwise, things like Docker on OS X would not virtualize an > entire OS just to make use of Linux containers. The engineering cost to > virtualize a platform and boot Linux on it is lower than the engineering > cost to keep up with whatever the hell the Linux horde throws at the > kernel this week. > > khm Indeed. Even Microsoft gave up emulating a Linux kernel in WSL and instead virtualize a Linux kernel in Hyper-V in WSL2. I see no point trying to hammer on that giant mess and instead prefer the effort be put into improving vmx and adding AMD-V support. Then run whatever dumpster fire you want in the VM.