From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 14812 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2022 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from 4ess.inri.net (216.126.196.42) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 13 Feb 2022 03:41:10 -0000 Received: from mail-yb1-f175.google.com ([209.85.219.175]) by 4ess; Sat Feb 12 22:33:09 -0500 2022 Received: by mail-yb1-f175.google.com with SMTP id l125so3355303ybl.4 for <9front@9front.org>; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:33:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Fv76NGNNIqtwR+b/dH2LPfb2R4JHHBRRO5g7QWB2ubQ=; b=ZfoGxXl1sr6IpfuwdIt3qGnacHKjlXvS7EIsnYfsZ0nv9LnJbo3Mzn+UtwJ147Vrzw yiQMvdNXi6xjL+vj3C/wy6uiBvNFiZ1PsQWcbMRW9rXBRXgDga2ulGGrUca2110Hu32d 9OCOP8+ByhfRZJN++ZZ4gi3Ur0NNgS/9kZoKi5t4n4Dy+vG57c1BmknZcqFemM04jrgu xr3bN6qGIM57UayD1wSoebnpuiJBrf0C/c2qpwx1CulwhvxHJCkeGh3kBx1m1ZDSSwP3 OxS+OXSi7uApuah84eGG/pZJBzmrUtC/hgD1zHSh7dTLnI+9P4nibCc2x6aPuaIpi0TW Y80Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Fv76NGNNIqtwR+b/dH2LPfb2R4JHHBRRO5g7QWB2ubQ=; b=7gemapvy/V1EwzBMhUBKbuC/cCRmG1hZY7WU1H7pLt+/A6TlDpqi8dCicSaboaUkZE uGNg26SQ0Z08lHEKS9duJxX7HVUSUsGL42ukce4k6Ukevn+qdc89bRjw/r5TrEIdgdhS 81Hyjp7l2kNKULg1TToV70Avj24kHEr3dE5yrNSQaz1IR/zwvYKCxLlWHeqwEpEc/Hx+ YZuFnkP0CfE+tAoOqXfvckeBTeZ/NTdiUGcwvtTAJl9VQMmia5jLCqNOQblQZ9gb4xAp 93/zF7xQXaGjuaWhJI6aYISUfrxpeHoiYR6ewAIj5h/r7qV0SfbGY0wkPEn0ViD66qEU qBsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531L68i9bc9w1c2z2h9mJ9FkbnzMSuBgwEZ3Yv1fYyDwIA0ZC62k yblJRnE+w2WfDCylV1zaaHdIbXWAzLC0bSn4gDSR1mb4lqo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzMm0ybnBvWLDRGqAH8Tmw+ACju2lYdwWnJk7Mk138HhaRzFUl0cLruaxp1+kLLlhxjAIjVUtVijbJlJXf46to= X-Received: by 2002:a25:3c3:: with SMTP id 186mr7605653ybd.228.1644722740741; Sat, 12 Feb 2022 19:25:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <6403CC303B834A70F53A520558BED0EB@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6403CC303B834A70F53A520558BED0EB@gmail.com> From: Thaddeus Woskowiak Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 22:25:30 -0500 Message-ID: To: 9front <9front@9front.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b74ae005d7dddad5" List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: pipelining ActivityPub over XML app wrapper-oriented database Subject: Re: [9front] pi4 wifi and audio Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk --000000000000b74ae005d7dddad5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'd hate to discourage people from putting in effort but just explaining the reality. On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 8:17 PM wrote: > Quoth Thaddeus Woskowiak : > > I don't think Miller's wifi does WPA or any auth. Though I've not ran > > Miller's pi image in a long time. Miller's wifi driver is also different > > from 9 front's WiFi driver so it's not a simple port. > > > > For good pi audio I use a Dayton USB DAC which outputs pretty clean > audio. > > > > Unfortunately the pi uses a really crummy SoC as it started life as an > > EoL'd chip for set-top boxes. That's why it does weird crap like boot > from > > the GPU and lacked proper Ethernet for ages. Even Pi founder Ebbon Upton > > was unable to grasp why people wanted proper Ethernet as the pi was only > > ever meant for teaching. It's an educational toy built from a chip > > scrounged from the cut out bin but everyone seems to want to ignore that > > part. You get what you pay for. > > > > I tend to prefer cheap embedded PC's off eBay or itx Celeron SoC boards > if > > I need a small low power system. > > > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 1:11 PM wrote: > > > > > So 9front on pi4 seems pretty stable. But has anyone got audio and wifi > > > working. I recall > > > reading some place that pi hardware developers kind of deviated from > > > convention so its a bit > > > tricky to get some of that stuff working. Perhaps I might also be > asking > > > for some sort of > > > guide to read on how to build or deal with making drivers in 9front and > > > some troubleshooting > > > steps to follow. Ponies and Unicorns I want those also, so yea. > > > > > > > Interesting. Seems like a lot of wasted effort. Unless as you say using pi > as a teaching > experiement. So what about hackboard2. Kind of the same specs but Intel. > I'm wondering if > it will just boot 9front and work without too much fuss. > --000000000000b74ae005d7dddad5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'd hate to discourage people from putting in effort = but just explaining the reality.=C2=A0

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On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 8:17 PM <thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com> wrote:
Quoth Thaddeus Woskowiak <tswoskowiak@g= mail.com>:
> I don't think Miller's wifi does WPA or any auth. Though I'= ;ve not ran
> Miller's pi image in a long time. Miller's wifi driver is also= different
> from 9 front's WiFi driver so it's not a simple port.
>
> For good pi audio I use a Dayton USB DAC which outputs pretty clean au= dio.
>
> Unfortunately the pi uses a really crummy SoC as it started life as an=
> EoL'd chip for set-top boxes. That's why it does weird crap li= ke boot from
> the GPU and lacked proper Ethernet for ages. Even Pi founder Ebbon Upt= on
> was unable to grasp why people wanted proper Ethernet as the pi was on= ly
> ever meant for teaching. It's an educational toy built from a chip=
> scrounged from the cut out bin but everyone seems to want to ignore th= at
> part. You get what you pay for.
>
> I tend to prefer cheap embedded PC's off eBay or itx Celeron SoC b= oards if
> I need a small low power system.
>
> On Sat, Feb 12, 2022, 1:11 PM <thinktankworks= paces@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > So 9front on pi4 seems pretty stable. But has anyone got audio an= d wifi
> > working. I recall
> > reading some place that pi hardware developers kind of deviated f= rom
> > convention so its a bit
> > tricky to get some of that stuff working. Perhaps I might also be= asking
> > for some sort of
> > guide to read on how to build or deal with making drivers in 9fro= nt and
> > some troubleshooting
> > steps to follow. Ponies and Unicorns I want those also, so yea. > >
>

Interesting. Seems like a lot of wasted effort. Unless as you say using pi = as a teaching
experiement. So what about hackboard2. Kind of the same specs but Intel. I&= #39;m wondering if
it will just boot 9front and work without too much fuss.
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