* [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" @ 2022-07-20 21:56 northernlights 2022-07-20 22:14 ` northernlights 2022-07-21 1:44 ` [9front] " magma698hfsp273p9f 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: northernlights @ 2022-07-20 21:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front Hello all, I'm writing to inform you of the death of a Plan 9 community figure who went by the username "mycroftiv." I believe Stephen Jones (smj) already passed the news along to some of you. He mentioned that some of you wanted some information. As far as what he died of, all I know is that it was pneuomnia. He was the former partner of 9 years of a housemate here in a large co-op I live in. They split in January due to events that I won't go into detail about out of respect for the privacy of those involved, including a minor. He was no longer welcome on the property - he had been a member who lived here part time - due to the events which led to the split. This would not have been a factor in his death, as he co-owned a house with his mother. If anybody has known mycroftiv for some time, you probably know that he had Bipolar Disorder I. He was in a long and what seemed to be constantly escalating manic episode (he generally refused treatment) and had been since, I don't know, last fall. He also had some physical health problems and was not too young, and I suppose mania can take a physical toll after a while, not to mention whatever behaviors might go along with it. (I myself got a lung x-ray for some reason when I was admitted to a psych ward during a manic episode once.) He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was thought to be has generally already been grieved. I know the same is probably not true for many of you. It is, in fact, very sad for me, but again, it "happened" some time ago, and in a different way. I am sorry to pass along this news. I'll try to show up in IRC some time soon, and you are welcome to write to me at northernlights@sdf.org. -northernlights northernlights@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-20 21:56 [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" northernlights @ 2022-07-20 22:14 ` northernlights 2022-07-21 11:37 ` hiro 2022-07-21 1:44 ` [9front] " magma698hfsp273p9f 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: northernlights @ 2022-07-20 22:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front Oh, also, in the course of things, if he was maintaining anything in the way of servers or what have you, I imagine all of that will go down some time soon. > Hello all, > > I'm writing to inform you of the death of a Plan 9 community figure who > went by the username "mycroftiv." I believe Stephen Jones (smj) already > passed the news along to some of you. > > He mentioned that some of you wanted some information. As far as what he > died of, all I know is that it was pneuomnia. He was the former partner of > 9 years of a housemate here in a large co-op I live in. They split in > January due to events that I won't go into detail about out of respect for > the privacy of those involved, including a minor. He was no longer welcome > on the property - he had been a member who lived here part time - due to > the events which led to the split. This would not have been a factor in > his death, as he co-owned a house with his mother. > > If anybody has known mycroftiv for some time, you probably know that he > had Bipolar Disorder I. He was in a long and what seemed to be constantly > escalating manic episode (he generally refused treatment) and had been > since, I don't know, last fall. He also had some physical health problems > and was not too young, and I suppose mania can take a physical toll after > a while, not to mention whatever behaviors might go along with it. (I > myself got a lung x-ray for some reason when I was admitted to a psych > ward during a manic episode once.) > > He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I > can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly > involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was > thought to be has generally already been grieved. I know the same is > probably not true for many of you. It is, in fact, very sad for me, but > again, it "happened" some time ago, and in a different way. > > I am sorry to pass along this news. > > I'll try to show up in IRC some time soon, and you are welcome to write to > me at northernlights@sdf.org. > > -northernlights > > northernlights@sdf.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-20 22:14 ` northernlights @ 2022-07-21 11:37 ` hiro 2022-07-21 22:20 ` northernlights 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: hiro @ 2022-07-21 11:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front that something "happened" showed parallels in his "interactive fiction" game: https://www.springthing.net/2022/stories/HypercubicTimeWarp/HypercubicTimeWarp.zip mycroftiv always seemed quite open about all his problems, i hope that in itself is not creating more problems for others involved, as i always appreciated breaking the taboos around talking about or dealing with psychological issues. i can't tell if the act of releasing this interactive-fiction game (i understand after they had already split up) is endorsed, or respected, by the people left behind, it becomes a question to me when northernlights mentions "privacy of those involved". i'm certainly sorry for any pain caused to the ones physically close. the comfort of my far digital displacement probably is quite blinding in other ways. On 7/21/22, northernlights@sdf.org <northernlights@sdf.org> wrote: > Oh, also, in the course of things, if he was maintaining anything in the > way of servers or what have you, I imagine all of that will go down some > time soon. > >> Hello all, >> >> I'm writing to inform you of the death of a Plan 9 community figure who >> went by the username "mycroftiv." I believe Stephen Jones (smj) already >> passed the news along to some of you. >> >> He mentioned that some of you wanted some information. As far as what he >> died of, all I know is that it was pneuomnia. He was the former partner >> of >> 9 years of a housemate here in a large co-op I live in. They split in >> January due to events that I won't go into detail about out of respect >> for >> the privacy of those involved, including a minor. He was no longer >> welcome >> on the property - he had been a member who lived here part time - due to >> the events which led to the split. This would not have been a factor in >> his death, as he co-owned a house with his mother. >> >> If anybody has known mycroftiv for some time, you probably know that he >> had Bipolar Disorder I. He was in a long and what seemed to be constantly >> escalating manic episode (he generally refused treatment) and had been >> since, I don't know, last fall. He also had some physical health problems >> and was not too young, and I suppose mania can take a physical toll after >> a while, not to mention whatever behaviors might go along with it. (I >> myself got a lung x-ray for some reason when I was admitted to a psych >> ward during a manic episode once.) >> >> He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I >> can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly >> involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was >> thought to be has generally already been grieved. I know the same is >> probably not true for many of you. It is, in fact, very sad for me, but >> again, it "happened" some time ago, and in a different way. >> >> I am sorry to pass along this news. >> >> I'll try to show up in IRC some time soon, and you are welcome to write >> to >> me at northernlights@sdf.org. >> >> -northernlights >> >> northernlights@sdf.org >> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org >> > > > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-21 11:37 ` hiro @ 2022-07-21 22:20 ` northernlights 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: northernlights @ 2022-07-21 22:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front I didn't know of this game. It seems to be functional on MacOS? I'm not running MacOS, and I don't know that I want to see the content anyway. But yes, that's his visage. Anything else regarding the game I can't speak to. Some time before he died, he had gone back to "Ben," incidentally, and he/him pronouns; I haven't been doing any deliberate misgendering. This was all intended as information, not a eulogy. If people who knew him online want to reminisce or eulogize, by all means. But at least now you know; and you know that he didn't die homeless and in a gutter (he was in the hospital), he didn't die in prison, he didn't die as a victim of violence, hopefully there wasn't too much suffering involved. (I have my own personal feelings - which are slightly complicated, there are moments that haunt me - but I didn't wish a painful death on him.) He was evidently still in contact with his mother, so I assume family was present. (His ex found out in a note from his mom taped on a box, in the process of trying to recover some important/sentimental possessions from his house.) And it's not just radio silence; I've been through that before. His ex and I were up late talking in the wee hours recently and for some reason the Plan 9 stuff came up and she mentioned that they didn't have any way to let people know that if there was anything they depended on, it was probably going to go down. By some odd kismet, I ended up being able to. I'm glad it was me and not them to do so, tbh. It was something I could to do beyond emotional support. My absolute #1 priority through all of this had been, is, and will continue to be the safety and well-being of my friend and her kid (well, kids as it turns out, she has another kid who doesn't live here with us,) as well as that of the community I call home. Any community that doesn't prioritize its children is not one I want to be a part of. I suppose my own safety and well-being, and sanity, should be a concern as well; I don't always pay enough attention to them. I can say that out of care and concern for Ben (well, and others), during one particularly bad incident early on, I took care and precautions *not* to get police involved, but rather a mental health care team. This has all been incredibly fucked up and trying for everybody involved, and there has been a lot of stress, and fear and worry, and tears. I thank those who reacted appropriately, I'm glad I could do something which is hopefully helpful, and again, I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news. I know it is hard to lose a friend, even one you knew from a distance, and like I said, your feelings are sure to be different from ours at this moment. Take care, -nl > that something "happened" showed parallels in his "interactive fiction" > game: > > https://www.springthing.net/2022/stories/HypercubicTimeWarp/HypercubicTimeWarp.zip > > mycroftiv always seemed quite open about all his problems, i hope that > in itself is not creating more problems for others involved, as i > always appreciated breaking the taboos around talking about or dealing > with psychological issues. > > i can't tell if the act of releasing this interactive-fiction game (i > understand after they had already split up) is endorsed, or respected, > by the people left behind, it becomes a question to me when > northernlights mentions "privacy of those involved". > > i'm certainly sorry for any pain caused to the ones physically close. > the comfort of my far digital displacement probably is quite blinding > in other ways. > > On 7/21/22, northernlights@sdf.org <northernlights@sdf.org> wrote: >> Oh, also, in the course of things, if he was maintaining anything in the >> way of servers or what have you, I imagine all of that will go down some >> time soon. >> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I'm writing to inform you of the death of a Plan 9 community figure who >>> went by the username "mycroftiv." I believe Stephen Jones (smj) already >>> passed the news along to some of you. >>> >>> He mentioned that some of you wanted some information. As far as what >>> he >>> died of, all I know is that it was pneuomnia. He was the former partner >>> of >>> 9 years of a housemate here in a large co-op I live in. They split in >>> January due to events that I won't go into detail about out of respect >>> for >>> the privacy of those involved, including a minor. He was no longer >>> welcome >>> on the property - he had been a member who lived here part time - due >>> to >>> the events which led to the split. This would not have been a factor in >>> his death, as he co-owned a house with his mother. >>> >>> If anybody has known mycroftiv for some time, you probably know that he >>> had Bipolar Disorder I. He was in a long and what seemed to be >>> constantly >>> escalating manic episode (he generally refused treatment) and had been >>> since, I don't know, last fall. He also had some physical health >>> problems >>> and was not too young, and I suppose mania can take a physical toll >>> after >>> a while, not to mention whatever behaviors might go along with it. (I >>> myself got a lung x-ray for some reason when I was admitted to a psych >>> ward during a manic episode once.) >>> >>> He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I >>> can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly >>> involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was >>> thought to be has generally already been grieved. I know the same is >>> probably not true for many of you. It is, in fact, very sad for me, but >>> again, it "happened" some time ago, and in a different way. >>> >>> I am sorry to pass along this news. >>> >>> I'll try to show up in IRC some time soon, and you are welcome to write >>> to >>> me at northernlights@sdf.org. >>> >>> -northernlights >>> >>> northernlights@sdf.org >>> SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org >>> >> >> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* [9front] Re: Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-20 21:56 [9front] Death of user "mycroftiv" northernlights 2022-07-20 22:14 ` northernlights @ 2022-07-21 1:44 ` magma698hfsp273p9f 2022-07-21 5:05 ` Eli Cohen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: magma698hfsp273p9f @ 2022-07-21 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front northernlights@SDF.ORG writes: > He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I > can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly > involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was > thought to be has generally already been grieved. In lieu of gloating (really?) about mycroftiv's death, perhaps we could reflect on his contributions to the P9 community. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Re: Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-21 1:44 ` [9front] " magma698hfsp273p9f @ 2022-07-21 5:05 ` Eli Cohen 2022-07-21 5:41 ` Kurt H Maier 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Cohen @ 2022-07-21 5:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front I also would like to correct you about this. That's not the proper way you would deliver a eulogy in person. It's good to consider your audience when you're addressing people. When you feel sorry before you hit send, just don't send it! On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM <magma698hfsp273p9f@icebubble.org> wrote: > > northernlights@SDF.ORG writes: > > > He had made our lives very difficult over the past months (although I > > can't imagine how much more difficult for the people most directly > > involved.) Condolences, exactly, are not in order; the person he was > > thought to be has generally already been grieved. > > In lieu of gloating (really?) about mycroftiv's death, perhaps we could > reflect on his contributions to the P9 community. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Re: Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-21 5:05 ` Eli Cohen @ 2022-07-21 5:41 ` Kurt H Maier 2022-07-21 6:39 ` Eli Cohen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Kurt H Maier @ 2022-07-21 5:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front northernlights, Thank you for the information. Several of us are working to preserve what content we can before the servers go dark. You're welcome any time on IRC. On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:05:25PM -0700, Eli Cohen wrote: > I also would like to correct you about this. That's not the proper way > you would deliver a eulogy in person. > > It's good to consider your audience when you're addressing people. > When you feel sorry before you hit send, just don't send it! > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM <magma698hfsp273p9f@icebubble.org> wrote: > > > > In lieu of gloating (really?) about mycroftiv's death, perhaps we could > > reflect on his contributions to the P9 community. This person was kind enough to reach out and provide some context and information we didn't previously have. Please stop bikeshedding their words and just be grateful for the information. Try to value the honesty instead of this performative tone policing. If you just can't hold it in, go blog about it. khm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Re: Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-21 5:41 ` Kurt H Maier @ 2022-07-21 6:39 ` Eli Cohen 2022-07-21 7:16 ` sirjofri 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Eli Cohen @ 2022-07-21 6:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front well, you're right. I still like you better than northernlights anyway though, but not as much as I liked mycroftiv On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:43 PM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote: > > northernlights, > > Thank you for the information. Several of us are working to preserve > what content we can before the servers go dark. You're welcome any time > on IRC. > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 10:05:25PM -0700, Eli Cohen wrote: > > I also would like to correct you about this. That's not the proper way > > you would deliver a eulogy in person. > > > > It's good to consider your audience when you're addressing people. > > When you feel sorry before you hit send, just don't send it! > > > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 9:18 PM <magma698hfsp273p9f@icebubble.org> wrote: > > > > > > In lieu of gloating (really?) about mycroftiv's death, perhaps we could > > > reflect on his contributions to the P9 community. > > This person was kind enough to reach out and provide some context and > information we didn't previously have. Please stop bikeshedding their > words and just be grateful for the information. Try to value the > honesty instead of this performative tone policing. If you just can't > hold it in, go blog about it. > > > khm ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [9front] Re: Death of user "mycroftiv" 2022-07-21 6:39 ` Eli Cohen @ 2022-07-21 7:16 ` sirjofri 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: sirjofri @ 2022-07-21 7:16 UTC (permalink / raw) To: 9front 21.07.2022 08:39:58 Eli Cohen <echoline@gmail.com>: > well, you're right. I still like you better than northernlights anyway > though, but not as much as I liked mycroftiv >> >> This person was kind enough to reach out and provide some context and >> information we didn't previously have. Please stop bikeshedding >> their >> words and just be grateful for the information. Try to value the >> honesty instead of this performative tone policing. If you just can't >> hold it in, go blog about it. I want to add that northernlights surely knew mycroftiv better than most of us, at least, his real-life part. I only know of one person (on grid) who had a phone call with him. So I can't say who he was in real life, how he behaved, what he did. I only know his view he presented in chat, as well as his online presence, which is only just a fragment of his personality. A big part of this fragment will live on in our hearts and on our servers, and who knows, maybe this fragment is part of what he wanted to be? But that's also only speculation. I'm not the emotional guy myself, and I can't say that I'll miss him (emotionally) or that it's sad (emotionally), because I'm just not that person(1). But I can still understand all people who go through this as I had quite deep experiences with the deaths of people close to me. I hope we can live through this and support each other where needed. For the people who were close to him in real life and feel bad and depressed because of his death, I just hope they're not alone and not hated for it. I hope they can live on normally at some point. sirjofri, who wrote lots of walls of texts with mycroftiv on gridchat back when I started using 9 for real. (1) of course it is sad when someone dies, and I'll miss him here and there. I'll just not have many tears about it. Don't get me wrong. PS: I hope you can understand my English. In the thread there were some passages I had to translate because I didn't understand them properly, and it's a quite heavy topic. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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