From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail-wg0-f42.google.com ([74.125.82.42]) by pp; Sun Nov 30 21:11:46 EST 2014 Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id z12so12909185wgg.1 for <9front@9front.org>; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:11:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5Ms57aBLgFUA5jCvZmaoFy19ys6ndVm/pDzukgWTL7c=; b=F8EQe1vjtiHT1p1OnooaVSeRvaJxR14SKCFGr/ueYfWieMSBYSssD19acUjVv4zyhD v52x4BlOStg/q2Y+R7dH1OJY7jnc2ACxyw51gqA+b/0Q9FnthoqE9pnAlFymjDxOIjbt Ir7oqnNCUl52VLBVQLvztvs8JjBLZU+vP23573t8EyEYozz/QVvovVWlMzheb5IZmtgK cq/eF3tpaMTdzqPhmK5PJetgVZ5sMT4E7pwVKt7ynuBQoo7wZx/0Sb7FepwEOo+ArEzI ti8cb3k8+hLCDoe6PpqXZ4qc0hbWE1/WRpB9Gyhq7b3aoO6OfR4HJcg5MmEAebXXCdLz rSkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.174.40 with SMTP id bp8mr87409870wjc.104.1417399904058; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.217.79.66 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 18:11:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <547BCB9A.8090301@ix.netcom.com> References: <547BCB9A.8090301@ix.netcom.com> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 00:11:44 -0200 Message-ID: List-ID: <9front.9front.org> X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: agile STM realtime framework Subject: Re: [9front] Debian port of Plan 9 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Daniel_Camol=EAs?= To: 9front@9front.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can't wait for systemd on Plan9! 2014-11-30 23:59 GMT-02:00 Marty : > Hi list, > > I'm still new to Plan 9. My current desktop is Debian, so I am looking > for way to combine both interests. > > How feasible would it be to do a Debian port of Plan 9, like the Debian > GNU/Hurd experimental port, and how suitable would 9front be as a > starting point? > > If this happens, I see 9front as an upstream source for Debian, not a > competing project. I'm looking at 9front because it looks like the most > active Plan 9 project at the moment. > > A Debian port would entail: > > - multiple architecture support > - porting the packaging system (dpkg/apt) > - porting all the apps > - adding the missing drivers > - following Debian policy and release schedule > - finding Debian developers who will sponsor and sustain the port > > I don't know anything about getting approval for such a project, but > if it happens I think there will be a lot of interest. Debian seems like > a natural fit because it is the only distro (that I know of) that > supports alternate OSs and kernels, and Plan 9 would be the first to > do both. The port could also be done unofficially, but it would have > less visibility and support. > > There are many porting issues. A large number of Debian apps use dbus, > so that might be a biggest obstacle to porting (this is a general > problem in Debian ports). Could 9p be used instead as a dbus > replacement? I don't know much about either protocol, but 9p seems like > a more professionally engineered solution. > > Unix APIs, POSIX and FHS are also porting issues to contend with, but I > am hoping the Plan 9 for User Space will alleviate some of those. For > graphics apps, could ports be done from one of the frame buffer > ports, like the Debian ARM port? I have more questions, but I'll stop > there. Thanks, > > Marty