[9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[Maurizio Boriani]

Hi all,
  which hardware would you suggest for a domestic 9front fileserver?

May it be cifs/sambs/nfs server enabled (to be used by client which
doesn't support 9p) ?


thanks in advance,

bye



-- 
Maurizio Boriani 
GPG key: 0xCC0FBF8F

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[Lorenzo Bivens]

Hi Maurizio,

A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine. You don't need to get any special hardware: just make sure it is on the list of supported hardware.  Rather than investing on, or harvesting hardware, I personally recommend that you test your desire setup on a virtual machine.

What I understand when you say domestic fileserver, and then mention smb/nfs, is that you probably are looking to setup a home NAS.  You can certainly enjoy an very edifying experience setting this up, but as far as I know smb/nfs are not currently "serving"  options. The good news is that there are dozens of 9p implementations, and there is likely one that will work with your client platform.

If you haven't done so, I recommend that you spend some time at skimming over the fqa (http://fqa.9front.org/) to get an idea of what advantages, and limitations you'll face when implementing your 9front based NAS. 

Qpla'


________________________________________
From: Maurizio Boriani <baux@boriani.cloud>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 6:47 AM
To: 9front@9front.org
Subject: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs


Hi all,
  which hardware would you suggest for a domestic 9front fileserver?

May it be cifs/sambs/nfs server enabled (to be used by client which
doesn't support 9p) ?


thanks in advance,

bye



--
Maurizio Boriani
GPG key: 0xCC0FBF8F

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[Stanley Lieber]

On June 29, 2021 12:46:27 PM EDT, Lorenzo Bivens <izaki@belaska.us> wrote:
>Hi Maurizio,
>
>A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine. You don't need to get any special hardware: just make sure it is on the list of supported hardware.  Rather than investing on, or harvesting hardware, I personally recommend that you test your desire setup on a virtual machine.
>
>What I understand when you say domestic fileserver, and then mention smb/nfs, is that you probably are looking to setup a home NAS.  You can certainly enjoy an very edifying experience setting this up, but as far as I know smb/nfs are not currently "serving"  options. The good news is that there are dozens of 9p implementations, and there is likely one that will work with your client platform.
>
>If you haven't done so, I recommend that you spend some time at skimming over the fqa (http://fqa.9front.org/) to get an idea of what advantages, and limitations you'll face when implementing your 9front based NAS. 
>
>Qpla'
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: Maurizio Boriani <baux@boriani.cloud>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 6:47 AM
>To: 9front@9front.org
>Subject: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs
>
>
>Hi all,
>  which hardware would you suggest for a domestic 9front fileserver?
>
>May it be cifs/sambs/nfs server enabled (to be used by client which
>doesn't support 9p) ?
>
>
>thanks in advance,
>
>bye
>
>
>
>--
>Maurizio Boriani
>GPG key: 0xCC0FBF8F
>

http://man.9front.org/8/cifsd
http://man.9front.org/8/nfsserver

sl

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[Lorenzo Bivens]

I very much stand corrected!


________________________________________
From: Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 10:50 AM
To: 9front@9front.org
Subject: Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

On June 29, 2021 12:46:27 PM EDT, Lorenzo Bivens <izaki@belaska.us> wrote:
>Hi Maurizio,
>
>A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine. You don't need to get any special hardware: just make sure it is on the list of supported hardware.  Rather than investing on, or harvesting hardware, I personally recommend that you test your desire setup on a virtual machine.
>
>What I understand when you say domestic fileserver, and then mention smb/nfs, is that you probably are looking to setup a home NAS.  You can certainly enjoy an very edifying experience setting this up, but as far as I know smb/nfs are not currently "serving"  options. The good news is that there are dozens of 9p implementations, and there is likely one that will work with your client platform.
>
>If you haven't done so, I recommend that you spend some time at skimming over the fqa (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ffqa.9front.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9a351bf5d51a4f333a4e08d93b2a8876%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637605876126422104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0qAE4pLgvLSzIwIgoFxuSVtPQ2lbAGpwJGvkKD7kyII%3D&amp;reserved=0) to get an idea of what advantages, and limitations you'll face when implementing your 9front based NAS.
>
>Qpla'
>
>
>________________________________________
>From: Maurizio Boriani <baux@boriani.cloud>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 6:47 AM
>To: 9front@9front.org
>Subject: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs
>
>
>Hi all,
>  which hardware would you suggest for a domestic 9front fileserver?
>
>May it be cifs/sambs/nfs server enabled (to be used by client which
>doesn't support 9p) ?
>
>
>thanks in advance,
>
>bye
>
>
>
>--
>Maurizio Boriani
>GPG key: 0xCC0FBF8F
>

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fman.9front.org%2F8%2Fcifsd&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9a351bf5d51a4f333a4e08d93b2a8876%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637605876126422104%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=DGwl1pe%2Fcqax0u4lsrWCPI1MCf%2Blk1m3UTonFMUvpSo%3D&amp;reserved=0
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fman.9front.org%2F8%2Fnfsserver&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9a351bf5d51a4f333a4e08d93b2a8876%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637605876126432060%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=wZD8EOOe1OMiKqsDy2rWn2k%2Bwkkfn6%2FrC1MtXNqAJZo%3D&amp;reserved=0

sl

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[Maurizio Boriani]

Lorenzo Bivens writes:

> A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked
> server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine. You
> don't need to get any special hardware: just make sure it is on the
> list of supported hardware.  Rather than investing on, or harvesting
> hardware, I personally recommend that you test your desire setup on a
> virtual machine.

Understand, I'd like to have some experiences, kind of hardware etc...
Someone already has practical experience about this to share.

> What I understand when you say domestic fileserver, and then mention
> smb/nfs, is that you probably are looking to setup a home NAS.  You
> can certainly enjoy an very edifying experience setting this up, but
> as far as I know smb/nfs are not currently "serving"  options. The
> good news is that there are dozens of 9p implementations, and there is
> likely one that will work with your client platform.

thanks, may be a way :-)


thanks,

bye



-- 
Maurizio Boriani 
GPG key: 0xCC0FBF8F

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[cinap_lenrek]

> A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked
> server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine.

i'd like to challenge that. raspberry pi's are anything BUT a good
fileservers. for one, it has no sata nor pcie slot for nvme.
so you'r limited to usb.

the only raspberry pi with a not completely useless usb implementation
is the pi4 (also the only model that has a built in ethernet mac instead
of some horrible usb contraption).

the raspberry pi is a machine with lots of compromises.
really, it is a graphics card with a arm processor on the side.

and imho it is not really worth it spending alot of money working around
its limitations with adding expensive external gadgets that will add up
to more than the machine itself.

especially usb disk adapters can cause you problems...

the pi4 can be a good *diskless* terminal (if you do not need audio) ...

or a diskless cpu server to run some light server tasks and you want
to save some power compared to a full pc.

--
cinap

Re: [9front] suggestion for a domestic 9front fs

[unobe]

Quoting cinap_lenrek@felloff.net:
> > A domestic 9front fileserver can be anything from a RPI, to a racked
> > server, including a laptop in a closet, or a virtual machine.
> 
> i'd like to challenge that. raspberry pi's are anything BUT a good
> fileservers. for one, it has no sata nor pcie slot for nvme.
> so you'r limited to usb.
> 
> the only raspberry pi with a not completely useless usb implementation
> is the pi4 (also the only model that has a built in ethernet mac instead
> of some horrible usb contraption).
> 
> the raspberry pi is a machine with lots of compromises.
> really, it is a graphics card with a arm processor on the side.
> 
> and imho it is not really worth it spending alot of money working around
> its limitations with adding expensive external gadgets that will add up
> to more than the machine itself.
> 
> especially usb disk adapters can cause you problems...

What cinap wrote has been my experience.  I wanted to get onto some
real hardware, and thought the pi4 would be a good start.  I did learn
quite a bit and still have 9front running on it, but I came up against
two things that I really wanted to use it for that currently aren't
available on 9front:

* wifi support
* virtualization

Wifi I think is supported in rmiller's port, but then you don't get
the benefit of a lot more software (if you're not running separate
cpu/auth/fs).