From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: (qmail 4107 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2022 18:09:16 -0000 Received: from 9front.inri.net (168.235.81.73) by inbox.vuxu.org with ESMTPUTF8; 29 Nov 2022 18:09:16 -0000 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by 9front; Tue Nov 29 13:05:41 -0500 2022 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF962240026 for <9front@9front.org>; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:05:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1669745137; bh=wW2NsK8UIwJywx+1t60NJgaOiQX981yxQdYnUiY+vgI=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:From; b=VNq861zEbUPFJU3J8Ns4BoY/3Cx0rYXnfXUG6cGCZOHAxchUtfewIY0/FW9iZGHnu alEwf/FpWrMNXFMYZ8RIFAIFZiFJLC8Zy5yggGwdHysqSfsaQh3VfhMn1dpIb0Vq48 Y3qyE3klHh2FqkD0+4r0ztETOYObn71GgPYseHunIHdV6JlbRoyNvNsoZCTsQfbl0B B1h2ak92S4sltMZLAxzzBNksQ5LBiwXdDmy6qbj1QlQ4AyWJ21l2e4Y3SmX7z5KlcO yyylDmvFW4QIvxHSYpnHiRarZ4c5F+53hON7LaKvEpW+lAVV3t7VbOCPd3h5WMRLDQ rHlHjcY5YuWDA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NM9HN4kg4z9rxD for <9front@9front.org>; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 19:05:35 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:04:22 +0000 Message-Id: From: "Tom Schwindl" To: <9front@9front.org> References: <51022878-2dcf-42be-9990-60f2d1475ce5@sirjofri.de> <0df780bc-37c8-4f01-8c40-aa50e83d0573@sirjofri.de> <2aa0db47-52f7-4449-8e53-e5f43fade278@sirjofri.de> In-Reply-To: <2aa0db47-52f7-4449-8e53-e5f43fade278@sirjofri.de> List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: compliant decentralized proxy pipelining plugin browser Subject: Re: [9front] 9front on the Allwinner A64 Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk On Tue Nov 29, 2022 at 5:50 PM CET, sirjofri wrote: > > 29.11.2022 15:44:31 Kurt H Maier : > > Yes, this is what the hellaphone project was, but with inferno.=C2=A0 T= he > > Android pieces were basically hardware enablement and inferno tied into > > things like audioflinger.=C2=A0 There was no android UI left running.= =C2=A0 You > > instead had a filesystem-based interface to the phone radio etc, with > > some basic touch-oriented UI served on top.=C2=A0 It was a similar appr= oach > > to Mer's libhybris effort but with inferno doing plan-9-style things > > instead of lumping more linux on top. > > > > I suggest you look at what hellphone did before dismissing it entirely. > > I also suggest that before you start developing anything you come to > > some kind of definition of what Plan 9 "feels like." > > I am very aware of what hellaphone did. Probably not that much into detai= l, but I really like their approach (besides having Android as a backend an= d that I generally don't really like the inferno UI stuff). Also I didn't r= eally dismiss hellaphone entirely, my response was more towards the other m= ails in this thread. > > I can start developing anything I like (as much as you can suggest anythi= ng you like), and surely, looking at what Plan 9 "feels like" is part of th= at development. > > I think it's really hard (if not impossible) to find a definitive definit= ion for that, especially considering "the user factor". But I believe it is= necessary to develop something(TM) and give it to testers to see if it mat= ches their expectations and extract the "Plan 9 feel" from user feedback to= further improve. > > Note that "develop" in this context doesn't mean a finak product, but als= o concepts and graphics that can lead to further discussion and improvement= for the designs. > > sirjofri I really like this idea. Since I own a Pinephone Pro myself, feel free to e= mail me if you have something ready that needs to be tested. -- Best Regards, Tom Schwindl