[9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Kurt H Maier]

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Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.

In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.

I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.  

The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!

Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes

xoxo
khm

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Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[sl]

fine with me.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[qwx]

On Thu Jul 25 04:49:16 +0200 2024, khm@sciops.net wrote:
> Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
> parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
> abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
> Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
> and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
> stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
> quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
> receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.
> 
> In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
> hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
> fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.
> 
> I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
> then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
> high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.  
> 
> The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
> ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!
> 
> Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes
> 
> xoxo
> khm

Thank you for doing this, though this reduces the line count from 5265
to 16.  I'd suggest doing the same with /lib/troll and merging it and
perhaps quotes from the 'who' page, unless that is also deemed
questionable.  We could also add a /lib/ngate or others and possibly
have fortunes(1) use multiple files.  Just some suggestions, not sure
what would be best or even desirable.

Cheers,
qwx

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Steve Simon]

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Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Kurt H Maier]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 11:36:34AM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
>    I am sad that so many of the fortunes have gone. some where too obscure
>    and some offensive i agree but you have been quite draconian.
>    If the plan is to (almost) start again you could consider the aphorisms
>    John Bentley collected. 

This is just a proposal.  In the cold light of day I can acknowledge
that I might have been too ready with the axe -- feel free to nominate
some favorites for retention -- but one thing I'm sure about is that the
contents of the fortunes file should be our scrapbook.  Something like
that might fit better as /lib/bentley or such.  

Remember that the original (Labs edition and 9front edition) fortunes
files will remain (as far as I know) on fortunes.cat-v.org for future
consumption.  

khm

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[nepeta]

qwx@sciops.net wrote:
> On Thu Jul 25 04:49:16 +0200 2024, khm@sciops.net wrote:
> > Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
> > parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
> > abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
> > Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
> > and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
> > stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
> > quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
> > receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.
> > 
> > In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
> > hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
> > fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.
> > 
> > I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
> > then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
> > high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.  
> > 
> > The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
> > ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!
> > 
> > Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes
> > 
> > xoxo
> > khm
> 
> Thank you for doing this, though this reduces the line count from 5265
> to 16.  I'd suggest doing the same with /lib/troll and merging it and
> perhaps quotes from the 'who' page, unless that is also deemed
> questionable.  We could also add a /lib/ngate or others and possibly
> have fortunes(1) use multiple files.  Just some suggestions, not sure
> what would be best or even desirable.
> 
> Cheers,
> qwx

/lib/n-gate would be cool. i already have a big collection of n-gate
quotes for fortune-mod, i could try turning it
into a plan9 fortune file, if anyone else likes the idea

i also think it would be nice to have a way of easily running fortune(1)
at the beginning of a rio terminal window.
maybe a $home/lib/rcrc file or something like that?
someone mentioned on irc that you could do this by modifying
/rc/bin/rcmain, but i don't know if that might somehow
break something

népéta

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[sl]

> i also think it would be nice to have a way of easily running fortune(1)
> at the beginning of a rio terminal window.
> maybe a $home/lib/rcrc file or something like that?
> someone mentioned on irc that you could do this by modifying
> /rc/bin/rcmain, but i don't know if that might somehow
> break something

just run the commands in $home/lib/profile.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[nepeta]

sl@stanleylieber.com wrote:
> > i also think it would be nice to have a way of easily running fortune(1)
> > at the beginning of a rio terminal window.
> > maybe a $home/lib/rcrc file or something like that?
> > someone mentioned on irc that you could do this by modifying
> > /rc/bin/rcmain, but i don't know if that might somehow
> > break something
> 
> just run the commands in $home/lib/profile.
> 
> sl

wouldn't that only run them once, at the start of a rio login shell?

népéta

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[sl]

> wouldn't that only run them once, at the start of a rio login shell?

you mean literally every single rio window?

no, you're right, it wouldn't do that.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[nepeta]

nepeta@canaglie.net wrote:
> qwx@sciops.net wrote:
> > On Thu Jul 25 04:49:16 +0200 2024, khm@sciops.net wrote:
> > > Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
> > > parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
> > > abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
> > > Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
> > > and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
> > > stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
> > > quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
> > > receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.
> > > 
> > > In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
> > > hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
> > > fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.
> > > 
> > > I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
> > > then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
> > > high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.  
> > > 
> > > The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
> > > ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!
> > > 
> > > Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes
> > > 
> > > xoxo
> > > khm
> > 
> > Thank you for doing this, though this reduces the line count from 5265
> > to 16.  I'd suggest doing the same with /lib/troll and merging it and
> > perhaps quotes from the 'who' page, unless that is also deemed
> > questionable.  We could also add a /lib/ngate or others and possibly
> > have fortunes(1) use multiple files.  Just some suggestions, not sure
> > what would be best or even desirable.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > qwx
> 
> /lib/n-gate would be cool. i already have a big collection of n-gate
> quotes for fortune-mod, i could try turning it
> into a plan9 fortune file, if anyone else likes the idea
> 
> i also think it would be nice to have a way of easily running fortune(1)
> at the beginning of a rio terminal window.
> maybe a $home/lib/rcrc file or something like that?
> someone mentioned on irc that you could do this by modifying
> /rc/bin/rcmain, but i don't know if that might somehow
> break something
> 
> népéta

i created a n-gate fortune proof of concept:
http://okturing.com/src/20431/body
some of the quotes are quite long.
not sure if that would cause a problem.

népéta

[9front] Re: proposal: raze fortunes

[Anthony Martin]

This is what Kurt wants to raze - a woolly twist on a
famous Groucho Marx quote:

"Who are you going to believe? Me or that lying sheep?" -- Jim McKie

My heavens! I almost fell over, clutching my pearls.

Stop trying to erase humour because it offends your
professional, managerial sentiments and clashes with
your bourgeois identity politics.

Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> once said:
> stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society

Are you talking about the violent thrashes of the dying
beast that is U.S. imperialism via NATO and its proxies
in Ukraine, occupied Palestine, occupied Taiwan, etc.?

No other threat comes to mind.

> xoxo

Silly me. I'm postin-in-a-troll-thread.jpg

Cheers,
  Anthony

Re: [9front] Re: proposal: raze fortunes

[Kurt H Maier]

On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 08:24:49PM -0700, Anthony Martin wrote:
> This is what Kurt wants to raze - a woolly twist on a
> famous Groucho Marx quote:
> 
> "Who are you going to believe? Me or that lying sheep?" -- Jim McKie

I can tell you just pasted it into a bad search engine, and got a bunch
of pretty close results, but the famous "lying eyes" quote isn't the
source of this punchline.  That joke doesn't even make any sense with
the words "that lying sheep" substituted for "your lying eyes".  What
the hell "wooly twist" is being accomplished here?  No.  I'm not
surprised that humor is a foreign subject to you, but put a little more
effort into maligning me in the future.  I prefer attacks upon me to

In actual fact,  That line is the punchline to a joke about a farmer
hiring a a guy who claims he can talk to animals.  The farmer is
suspicious of this claim, but needs the help.  Comedy comes in threes,
so the worker accurately reports conversations with a cow and a chicken.
Each paints a picture of the farmer living an isolated widower life.
Then, realizing the implications of this ability, the farmer hurries to
impugn the reliability of the sheep, despite moments prior disbelieving
anyone could talk to animals.  

He was worried the sheep would report being raped.  ha ha ha, I guess,
back in the day someone thought this shit was funny.  

> My heavens! I almost fell over, clutching my pearls.
> 
> Stop trying to erase humour because it offends your
> professional, managerial sentiments and clashes with
> your bourgeois identity politics.

Yeah, normally I'd be right there with you, but this joke is being used
to attack some rando I don't know, isn't anything to do with 9front,
and, the worst crime of all, isn't a particularly funny joke.

I only explicitly mentioned it to highlight other idiotic attempts to
bowdlerize fortunes, which focus on getting rid of four-letter words
without actually understanding any of the contents of the file.  On
brand and in character for the actors in question!  In this case, really
just more pre-9front detritus.

> Are you talking about the violent thrashes of the dying
> beast that is U.S. imperialism via NATO and its proxies
> in Ukraine, occupied Palestine, occupied Taiwan, etc.?

No, I'm talking about Nazis.  US imperialism is pretty great.  

> No other threat comes to mind.

Nor much else, judging by this email!

> Silly me. I'm postin-in-a-troll-thread.jpg

all threads are troll threads if you're brave enough

khm

Re: [9front] Re: proposal: raze fortunes

[hiro]

i'm not even part of this thread so i don't think it's so troll.

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 6:29 AM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 08:24:49PM -0700, Anthony Martin wrote:
> > This is what Kurt wants to raze - a woolly twist on a
> > famous Groucho Marx quote:
> >
> > "Who are you going to believe? Me or that lying sheep?" -- Jim McKie
>
> I can tell you just pasted it into a bad search engine, and got a bunch
> of pretty close results, but the famous "lying eyes" quote isn't the
> source of this punchline.  That joke doesn't even make any sense with
> the words "that lying sheep" substituted for "your lying eyes".  What
> the hell "wooly twist" is being accomplished here?  No.  I'm not
> surprised that humor is a foreign subject to you, but put a little more
> effort into maligning me in the future.  I prefer attacks upon me to
>
> In actual fact,  That line is the punchline to a joke about a farmer
> hiring a a guy who claims he can talk to animals.  The farmer is
> suspicious of this claim, but needs the help.  Comedy comes in threes,
> so the worker accurately reports conversations with a cow and a chicken.
> Each paints a picture of the farmer living an isolated widower life.
> Then, realizing the implications of this ability, the farmer hurries to
> impugn the reliability of the sheep, despite moments prior disbelieving
> anyone could talk to animals.
>
> He was worried the sheep would report being raped.  ha ha ha, I guess,
> back in the day someone thought this shit was funny.
>
> > My heavens! I almost fell over, clutching my pearls.
> >
> > Stop trying to erase humour because it offends your
> > professional, managerial sentiments and clashes with
> > your bourgeois identity politics.
>
> Yeah, normally I'd be right there with you, but this joke is being used
> to attack some rando I don't know, isn't anything to do with 9front,
> and, the worst crime of all, isn't a particularly funny joke.
>
> I only explicitly mentioned it to highlight other idiotic attempts to
> bowdlerize fortunes, which focus on getting rid of four-letter words
> without actually understanding any of the contents of the file.  On
> brand and in character for the actors in question!  In this case, really
> just more pre-9front detritus.
>
> > Are you talking about the violent thrashes of the dying
> > beast that is U.S. imperialism via NATO and its proxies
> > in Ukraine, occupied Palestine, occupied Taiwan, etc.?
>
> No, I'm talking about Nazis.  US imperialism is pretty great.
>
> > No other threat comes to mind.
>
> Nor much else, judging by this email!
>
> > Silly me. I'm postin-in-a-troll-thread.jpg
>
> all threads are troll threads if you're brave enough
>
> khm

Re: [9front] Re: proposal: raze fortunes

[Dave Woodman]

Perhaps it's a multi-troll thread, and not a uni-troll...

Dave.

On 26/07/2024 08:45, hiro wrote:
> i'm not even part of this thread so i don't think it's so troll.
>
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 6:29 AM Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jul 25, 2024 at 08:24:49PM -0700, Anthony Martin wrote:
>>> This is what Kurt wants to raze - a woolly twist on a
>>> famous Groucho Marx quote:
>>>
>>> "Who are you going to believe? Me or that lying sheep?" -- Jim McKie
>> I can tell you just pasted it into a bad search engine, and got a bunch
>> of pretty close results, but the famous "lying eyes" quote isn't the
>> source of this punchline.  That joke doesn't even make any sense with
>> the words "that lying sheep" substituted for "your lying eyes".  What
>> the hell "wooly twist" is being accomplished here?  No.  I'm not
>> surprised that humor is a foreign subject to you, but put a little more
>> effort into maligning me in the future.  I prefer attacks upon me to
>>
>> In actual fact,  That line is the punchline to a joke about a farmer
>> hiring a a guy who claims he can talk to animals.  The farmer is
>> suspicious of this claim, but needs the help.  Comedy comes in threes,
>> so the worker accurately reports conversations with a cow and a chicken.
>> Each paints a picture of the farmer living an isolated widower life.
>> Then, realizing the implications of this ability, the farmer hurries to
>> impugn the reliability of the sheep, despite moments prior disbelieving
>> anyone could talk to animals.
>>
>> He was worried the sheep would report being raped.  ha ha ha, I guess,
>> back in the day someone thought this shit was funny.
>>
>>> My heavens! I almost fell over, clutching my pearls.
>>>
>>> Stop trying to erase humour because it offends your
>>> professional, managerial sentiments and clashes with
>>> your bourgeois identity politics.
>> Yeah, normally I'd be right there with you, but this joke is being used
>> to attack some rando I don't know, isn't anything to do with 9front,
>> and, the worst crime of all, isn't a particularly funny joke.
>>
>> I only explicitly mentioned it to highlight other idiotic attempts to
>> bowdlerize fortunes, which focus on getting rid of four-letter words
>> without actually understanding any of the contents of the file.  On
>> brand and in character for the actors in question!  In this case, really
>> just more pre-9front detritus.
>>
>>> Are you talking about the violent thrashes of the dying
>>> beast that is U.S. imperialism via NATO and its proxies
>>> in Ukraine, occupied Palestine, occupied Taiwan, etc.?
>> No, I'm talking about Nazis.  US imperialism is pretty great.
>>
>>> No other threat comes to mind.
>> Nor much else, judging by this email!
>>
>>> Silly me. I'm postin-in-a-troll-thread.jpg
>> all threads are troll threads if you're brave enough
>>
>> khm

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Özgür Kesim]

I suggest to save the entries prior to the 9front days - after
correcting wrapping - as '/sys/games/lib/misfortune'.

It is always good to know where culture came from and how it developed,
instead of trying to hide its past.

-oec


Thus spake Kurt H Maier (khm@sciops.net):

> Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
> parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
> abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
> Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
> and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
> stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
> quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
> receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.
> 
> In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
> hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
> fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.
> 
> I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
> then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
> high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.  
> 
> The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
> ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!
> 
> Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes
> 
> xoxo
> khm

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> AVPlayerLayer *playerLayer = [AVPlayerLayer playerLayerWithPlayer:player];
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> hjfs: ending
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> (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
> i have been looking for an excuse to install 9front.
> Never change anything. You can only make it worse. -- Ted Unangst

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Jacob Moody]

On 7/26/24 05:50, Özgür Kesim wrote:
> I suggest to save the entries prior to the 9front days - after
> correcting wrapping - as '/sys/games/lib/misfortune'.
> 
> It is always good to know where culture came from and how it developed,
> instead of trying to hide its past.

I think its a bit absurd to say that removing bad jokes are "hiding the past".
They'll still be in git, with a documented date and reason for their removal.
Anyone interested in studying the change over time certainly wouldn't miss the git log, no?
I don't see what a rename does better for us, except double the space that the current fortunes file
takes up in our .git directory. The goal of the fortunes file is to contain jokes and quips, so I would
prefer the reasoning for keeping these boomer bumper sticker entries to be that someone genuinely finds them funny.


Thanks,
moody

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Stanley Lieber]

why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Steve Simon]

1st october?
i don’t understand why that date.

-Steve

> On 26 Jul 2024, at 4:49 pm, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.
> 
> sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Stanley Lieber]

On July 26, 2024 12:56:03 PM EDT, Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>1st october?
>i don’t understand why that date.
>
>-Steve
>
>> On 26 Jul 2024, at 4:49 pm, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>> why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.
>> 
>> sl
>

first day of the fiscal year. budgets unlocked!

also, in my novels, 1oct is "redaction day," a vestigial religious holiday that serves in part as a convenient cultural underpinning for routine memoryholing of inconvenient information.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Dave Woodman]

Six months to prepare for April Fools Day?

On 26/07/2024 17:56, Steve Simon wrote:
> 1st october?
> i don’t understand why that date.
>
> -Steve
>
>> On 26 Jul 2024, at 4:49 pm, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>> why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.
>>
>> sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Romano]

On Fri Jul 26 10:00:57 -0700 2024, steve@quintile.net wrote:
> 1st october?
> i don’t understand why that date.
> 
> -Steve
> 
> > On 26 Jul 2024, at 4:49 pm, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> > why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.
> > 
> > sl

I always thought it (specifically 1oct1993) was in reference to the
Eternal September finally ending.

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Stanley Lieber]

On July 26, 2024 2:04:20 PM EDT, Romano <me+unobe@fallglow.com> wrote:
>On Fri Jul 26 10:00:57 -0700 2024, steve@quintile.net wrote:
>> 1st october?
>> i don’t understand why that date.
>> 
>> -Steve
>> 
>> > On 26 Jul 2024, at 4:49 pm, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
>> > why don't we zero the file every year on 1 october.
>> > 
>> > sl
>
>I always thought it (specifically 1oct1993) was in reference to the
>Eternal September finally ending.
>

i'm pretty sure it was a preemptive reference to bowie's 2013 comeback album.

if continuous reboots of classic media franchises have taught us anything at all, it's that our situatedness as a 5d facet on a 6d crystal ensures that the moment of our death is immediately followed by the moment of our birth, as surely as the sun'll come up tomorrow, doomed to endlessly seek through our one singular lifetime over and over again, forever, til the casket drops.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Steve Simon]

just an idea, you could revert to the fortunes file from v7 unix (i think v7 had fortunes).

alternatively, before you delete them all can i vote for my favourites?

“Don’t eat yellow snow”
“Beware a man with a loud tie”
Kirk: “shut up Spock, i am sick of your half-breed interference”
“Fit tape yn17 on mt1, no ring”   (memory fails me here)
“You might have mail”
“Flee! all is known”

-Steve

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[hiro]

also, don't forget that you can always fork your own fork10portfrontfortune

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 9:02 PM Steve Simon <steve@quintile.net> wrote:
>
>
> just an idea, you could revert to the fortunes file from v7 unix (i think v7 had fortunes).
>
> alternatively, before you delete them all can i vote for my favourites?
>
> “Don’t eat yellow snow”
> “Beware a man with a loud tie”
> Kirk: “shut up Spock, i am sick of your half-breed interference”
> “Fit tape yn17 on mt1, no ring”   (memory fails me here)
> “You might have mail”
> “Flee! all is known”
>
> -Steve
>
>

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Kurt H Maier]

On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 07:39:45PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
> 
> alternatively, before you delete them all can i vote for my favourites?
> 
> “Don’t eat yellow snow”
> “Beware a man with a loud tie”
> Kirk: “shut up Spock, i am sick of your half-breed interference”
> “Fit tape yn17 on mt1, no ring”   (memory fails me here)
> “You might have mail”
> “Flee! all is known”

I have no objection to retaining specific fortunes people like, but we
need some QUALITY CONTROL

the line was "Mind your own business, Mister Spock.  I'm sick of your
half-breed interference."

khm

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[ori]

Quoth Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net>:
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 07:39:45PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote:
> > 
> > alternatively, before you delete them all can i vote for my favourites?
> > 
> > “Don’t eat yellow snow”
> > “Beware a man with a loud tie”
> > Kirk: “shut up Spock, i am sick of your half-breed interference”
> > “Fit tape yn17 on mt1, no ring”   (memory fails me here)
> > “You might have mail”
> > “Flee! all is known”
> 
> I have no objection to retaining specific fortunes people like, but we
> need some QUALITY CONTROL
> 
> the line was "Mind your own business, Mister Spock.  I'm sick of your
> half-breed interference."
> 
> khm

I'm partial to keeping fortunes around because digging
into the Slackware's fortune file and trying to figure
out what the historical references meant is what got
me down this rabbit hole in the first place.

I've got no particular attachment to individual fortunes.

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes v2

[Kurt H Maier]

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Ok, after discussion, the attached retains all the weird computer output
captured in fortunes, as well as accomodating various requests. 

Steve, I could not find the 'fit tape...' message in our fortunes nor on
a quick internet search, so consider this an open call to find that
message and add it!

khm

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(II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Video Bus" (type: KEYBOARD, id 7)
			if(~ $i (seek _nsec)) {		# untested so far - geoff
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[ 35.998] (II) Integrated Camera: Configuring as keyboard
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Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes v2

[sl]

fine with me.

sl

Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes v2

[Steve Simon]

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sorry, my memory was inaccurate.
i found it here: https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=V7/usr/games/lib/fortunes
MOUNT TAPE U1439 ON B3, NO RING

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Re: [9front] proposal: raze fortunes

[Lucas Francesco]

the patch looks good to me, i'm also in favour of removing/merging
/lib/troll and fortune.

maybe we should have an fortune tarball with the extra stuff like the
suggested ngate fortunes?
thanks!

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 at 23:51, Kurt H Maier <khm@sciops.net> wrote:
>
> Our fortunes file is too big, most of it is boring, some of it (the
> parts that predate 9front) include bad things like joking about sex &
> abuse (there's a line that basically repurposes an old joke to accuse
> Jim McKie of sheepfucking, for instance), other parts of it (both pre-
> and post-9front) contain hitler jokes that once were edgy and now are
> stark reminders of an existential threat to modern society, and a lot of
> quotes from an ircnet which is ostensibly no-logging and can't bring
> receipts for people being quoted as being ok with being quoted.
>
> In addition, a LOT of stuff isn't even formatted correctly (lines are
> hard-wrapped at a specific line length) with the result that the
> fortunes file as it sits *doesn't even work with fortune(1)*.
>
> I started by deleting all the detritus from the Before 9front Days and
> then went through and deleted anything that didn't meet my arbitrarily
> high bar for comedy and/or poignancy.
>
> The remaining few things that DID meet my bar, but were quotes from
> ircnets, I removed anyway, because no logging!
>
> Anyway, here's my proposed replacement for /sys/games/lib/fortunes
>
> xoxo
> khm