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From: sl@stanleylieber.com
To: 9front@9front.org
Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service
Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 00:09:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <EF0CB12C244C188AEAB843273BB12DE7@gaff.inri.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240507234109.5e46e5abaf50a6f0df261047@eigenstate.org>

> Contrary to many people's experience, I actually find 
> that for the kind of latency I get over coffee shop wifi 
> to my home, remote rio sessions behave fairly well (though 
> displaying static images is quite painful).

but this doesn't actually sound contrary.

text is generally fine, even in drawterm-over-the-internet.  it's when
you try to work with anything other than text that life gets hectic.
i never had a lot of complaints until plan 9 became more than a text
editor for me and i started trying to live in it full-time.

people nowadays are doing a lot more with their plan 9 than they were
even when we started 9front.  but most of that stuff is either too
painful to be practical or flat out impossible unless your constituent
distributed parts live close together on a fast network.

the end result is that many of the very cool features we come to plan
9 for in the first place are pretty much useless most of the time.
and this drives travelers to just running stand alone systems.

this inherent tension between "plan 9 is a distributed environment"
and "nobody expected us to be quite *that* distributed" remains
unresolved, and largely unaddressed.  it's not really a fault of the
original concept, but it does expose weaknesses (or, perhaps more
accurately, period appropriate shortsightedness nobody could blame
them for) in the specific implementations of various components.

i like the suggestions made so far about automatic caching schemes.  i
have played around with cfs partitions, but that mechanism at least
never seems to deliver the promised results.

sl

  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08  4:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-06 11:32 Rocky Hotas
2024-05-06 11:58 ` Alex Musolino
2024-05-06 12:43 ` ori
2024-05-06 15:16   ` Scott Flowers
2024-05-06 15:37     ` sirjofri
2024-05-06 16:32     ` Stanley Lieber
2024-05-06 22:18   ` Rocky Hotas
2024-05-06 22:59     ` ori
2024-05-06 23:00     ` ori
2024-05-07  8:22       ` Rocky Hotas
2024-05-07  8:29         ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2024-05-07  9:03           ` Rocky Hotas
2024-05-07  9:14         ` sirjofri
2024-05-07 21:11           ` Shawn Rutledge
2024-05-07 21:35             ` Kurt H Maier
2024-05-07 21:45               ` sirjofri
2024-05-07 21:54             ` sl
2024-05-07 21:58               ` sl
2024-05-07 23:15                 ` Lennart Jablonka
2024-05-07 23:16                 ` Shawn Rutledge
2024-05-07 23:45                   ` Shawn Rutledge
2024-05-08  0:34                   ` Kurt H Maier
2024-05-08  0:35                   ` sl
2024-05-08  1:05                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08  1:24                       ` sl
2024-05-08  7:22                         ` hiro
2024-05-08 14:04                           ` Stanley Lieber
2024-05-08 12:08                         ` Stuart Morrow
2024-05-08 16:37                           ` Brian Stuart
2024-05-08 20:16                             ` hiro
2024-05-08 21:26                               ` Stuart Morrow
2024-05-08 21:17                             ` Disconnection-tolerant / distributed filesystems (was Re: [9front] Enabling a service) Shawn Rutledge
2024-05-08 14:25                         ` [9front] Enabling a service Jacob Moody
2024-05-08  3:41                       ` Ori Bernstein
2024-05-08  4:09                         ` sl [this message]
2024-05-08  8:39                           ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2024-05-08 14:17                             ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 15:49                               ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2024-05-08 16:10                                 ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 16:33                                   ` Frank D. Engel, Jr.
2024-05-08 17:27                                     ` Jacob Moody
2024-05-08 18:00                                       ` Steve Simon
2024-05-08 19:46                                         ` hiro
2024-05-08 19:46                                   ` Roberto E. Vargas Caballero
2024-05-08 20:34                                     ` tlaronde
2024-05-08 14:57                   ` Lucas Francesco
2024-05-08 15:10                     ` an2qzavok
2024-05-08  2:11             ` Thaddeus Woskowiak

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