From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <9front-bounces@9front.inri.net> X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on inbox.vuxu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Received: from 9front.inri.net (9front.inri.net [168.235.81.73]) by inbox.vuxu.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DCA24A14 for ; Wed, 8 May 2024 06:11:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from gaff.inri.net ([168.235.71.243]) by 9front; Wed May 8 00:09:03 -0400 2024 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 May 2024 00:09:03 -0400 From: sl@stanleylieber.com To: 9front@9front.org In-Reply-To: <20240507234109.5e46e5abaf50a6f0df261047@eigenstate.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-ID: <9front.9front.org> List-Help: X-Glyph: ➈ X-Bullshit: HTTP over WEB2.0 hosting information database Subject: Re: [9front] Enabling a service Reply-To: 9front@9front.org Precedence: bulk > Contrary to many people's experience, I actually find > that for the kind of latency I get over coffee shop wifi > to my home, remote rio sessions behave fairly well (though > displaying static images is quite painful). but this doesn't actually sound contrary. text is generally fine, even in drawterm-over-the-internet. it's when you try to work with anything other than text that life gets hectic. i never had a lot of complaints until plan 9 became more than a text editor for me and i started trying to live in it full-time. people nowadays are doing a lot more with their plan 9 than they were even when we started 9front. but most of that stuff is either too painful to be practical or flat out impossible unless your constituent distributed parts live close together on a fast network. the end result is that many of the very cool features we come to plan 9 for in the first place are pretty much useless most of the time. and this drives travelers to just running stand alone systems. this inherent tension between "plan 9 is a distributed environment" and "nobody expected us to be quite *that* distributed" remains unresolved, and largely unaddressed. it's not really a fault of the original concept, but it does expose weaknesses (or, perhaps more accurately, period appropriate shortsightedness nobody could blame them for) in the specific implementations of various components. i like the suggestions made so far about automatic caching schemes. i have played around with cfs partitions, but that mechanism at least never seems to deliver the promised results. sl