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* [9front] listserv
@ 2022-03-11  8:15 william
  2022-03-13 15:56 ` Stanley Lieber
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: william @ 2022-03-11  8:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net



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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-11  8:15 [9front] listserv william
@ 2022-03-13 15:56 ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-13 16:25   ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-13 18:23   ` william
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2022-03-13 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to you directly?

sl

> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
> 
> Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
> 
> 
> 


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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 15:56 ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2022-03-13 16:25   ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-13 18:31     ` william
  2022-03-13 18:49     ` william
  2022-03-13 18:23   ` william
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2022-03-13 16:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

from the logs it looks like the server for this address has blacklisted us as spam off and on for over a year.

sl

> On Mar 13, 2022, at 12:22 PM, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> 
> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to you directly?
> 
> sl
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
>> 
>> Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
>> 
>> 
>> 


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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 15:56 ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-13 16:25   ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2022-03-13 18:23   ` william
  2022-03-13 18:47     ` hiro
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: william @ 2022-03-13 18:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm using upas as a 
server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on mail-tester.com and have
_dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as difficult as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas. 


Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to you directly?
> 
> sl
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
> > 
> > Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 16:25   ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2022-03-13 18:31     ` william
  2022-03-13 18:49     ` william
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: william @ 2022-03-13 18:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

I didn't understand it. I got one when I sent an email from thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com in 
March 9. So it does happen with gmail. But I received more yesterday using william@thinktankworkspaces.com. Pretty much every time I send an email to the list server. 

Here is a copy: ----------------v

From: owner-LISTSERV@listserv.ieee.org
To:   william@THINKTANKWORKSPACES.COM
Date: Sun Mar 13 11:28:39 -0700 2022
Subject: Undelivered mail

--> Error description:
Error-For:  MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Error-Code: 3
Error-Text: No such list.

Error-End:  One error reported.


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Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> from the logs it looks like the server for this address has blacklisted us as spam off and on for over a year.
> 
> sl
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 12:22 PM, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> > 
> > this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to you directly?
> > 
> > sl
> > 
> >> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> 


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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 18:23   ` william
@ 2022-03-13 18:47     ` hiro
  2022-03-13 20:49       ` thinktankworkspaces
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2022-03-13 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

why would you use dmarc? i was not aware it was necessary for
anything. and in this email i see spf is valid, but dmarc isn't.

On 3/13/22, william@thinktankworkspaces.com
<william@thinktankworkspaces.com> wrote:
> Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm using
> upas as a
> server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on
> mail-tester.com and have
> _dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as difficult
> as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas.
>
>
> Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
>> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to
>> you directly?
>>
>> sl
>>
>> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it
>> > getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from
>> > 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 16:25   ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-13 18:31     ` william
@ 2022-03-13 18:49     ` william
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: william @ 2022-03-13 18:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

I also seem to get a copy of the email from the list sever. I never got a copy using gmail. But I subscribed over a year
ago using the gmail. Perhaps things are different now. 

Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> from the logs it looks like the server for this address has blacklisted us as spam off and on for over a year.
> 
> sl
> 
> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 12:22 PM, Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com> wrote:
> > 
> > this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to you directly?
> > 
> > sl
> > 
> >> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> 


^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread

* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 18:47     ` hiro
@ 2022-03-13 20:49       ` thinktankworkspaces
  2022-03-13 21:09         ` hiro
                           ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: thinktankworkspaces @ 2022-03-13 20:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

Great question. My mail kept getting bounced by gmail. Yahoo mail was fine but gmail was a pain 

For gmail to accept mail I needed a "_dmarc" for the root of the domain and the host "_dmarc.maat.thinktankworkspaces.com".

Here is the configuration:

@ 10800 IN SOA ns1.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1646461443 10800 3600 604800 10800
@ 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
@ 10800 IN MX 10 maat.thinktankworkspaces.com.
@ 10800 IN MX 10 mail.thinktankworkspaces.com.
@ 10800 IN MX 10 thinktankworkspaces.com.
@ 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
_20948fec0056d2c1f86019ec5d2b200d 10800 IN CNAME 8e44ca796bf0f517dce6d208a55cc87f.d01479e663f61af9158941fd03926cee.d7f2ad3f771764a19618.sectigo.com.
_dmarc 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1; rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
_dmarc.maat 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1; rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net.
maat 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
maat 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
mail 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
mail 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
www 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76

All of this was such a pain that decided to write about my experience: 

http://thinktankworkspaces.com/plan9/email-upas

Again this seems to be working with a lot of other places I send mail to.

I very much welcome comments. 

Plan9 doesn't currently support DKIM. But its helpful to have spf configured and _dmarc even if its not using dkim the _dmarc reveals a lot.

'v=DMARC 1 '
indicates the protocol version.

The suggested DMARC record above includes a monitor policy (p=none). This means that you are not instructing mailbox providers to take any action with your email that fails authentication. 

'fo' lets mailbox providers know you want message samples of emails that failed either SPF and/or DKIM. For the value:
'Use 0' to receive a report if both SPF and DKIM fail. (default)
'Use 1' to receive a report if either SPF or DKIM fail. (recommended)

So its interesting it does pass on mail-tester.com and Gmail somehow resolves it and does a pass on the _dmarc for both hosts. 


Quoth hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>:
> why would you use dmarc? i was not aware it was necessary for
> anything. and in this email i see spf is valid, but dmarc isn't.
> 
> On 3/13/22, william@thinktankworkspaces.com
> <william@thinktankworkspaces.com> wrote:
> > Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm using
> > upas as a
> > server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on
> > mail-tester.com and have
> > _dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as difficult
> > as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas.
> >
> >
> > Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
> >> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to
> >> you directly?
> >>
> >> sl
> >>
> >> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it
> >> > getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from
> >> > 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 20:49       ` thinktankworkspaces
@ 2022-03-13 21:09         ` hiro
  2022-03-13 21:30         ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-15  5:01         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: hiro @ 2022-03-13 21:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

i agree.

dmarc is useful in order to tell servers to ignore dkim.

in my  last mail i had confused dmarc with dkim.

On 3/13/22, thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com <thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com> wrote:
> Great question. My mail kept getting bounced by gmail. Yahoo mail was fine
> but gmail was a pain
>
> For gmail to accept mail I needed a "_dmarc" for the root of the domain and
> the host "_dmarc.maat.thinktankworkspaces.com".
>
> Here is the configuration:
>
> @ 10800 IN SOA ns1.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1646461443 10800 3600
> 604800 10800
> @ 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 maat.thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 mail.thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> _20948fec0056d2c1f86019ec5d2b200d 10800 IN CNAME
> 8e44ca796bf0f517dce6d208a55cc87f.d01479e663f61af9158941fd03926cee.d7f2ad3f771764a19618.sectigo.com.
> _dmarc 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1;
> rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com;
> ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
> _dmarc.maat 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1;
> rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com;
> ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
> blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net.
> maat 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> maat 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> mail 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> mail 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> www 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
>
> All of this was such a pain that decided to write about my experience:
>
> http://thinktankworkspaces.com/plan9/email-upas
>
> Again this seems to be working with a lot of other places I send mail to.
>
> I very much welcome comments.
>
> Plan9 doesn't currently support DKIM. But its helpful to have spf configured
> and _dmarc even if its not using dkim the _dmarc reveals a lot.
>
> 'v=DMARC 1 '
> indicates the protocol version.
>
> The suggested DMARC record above includes a monitor policy (p=none). This
> means that you are not instructing mailbox providers to take any action with
> your email that fails authentication.
>
> 'fo' lets mailbox providers know you want message samples of emails that
> failed either SPF and/or DKIM. For the value:
> 'Use 0' to receive a report if both SPF and DKIM fail. (default)
> 'Use 1' to receive a report if either SPF or DKIM fail. (recommended)
>
> So its interesting it does pass on mail-tester.com and Gmail somehow
> resolves it and does a pass on the _dmarc for both hosts.
>
>
> Quoth hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>:
>> why would you use dmarc? i was not aware it was necessary for
>> anything. and in this email i see spf is valid, but dmarc isn't.
>>
>> On 3/13/22, william@thinktankworkspaces.com
>> <william@thinktankworkspaces.com> wrote:
>> > Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm
>> > using
>> > upas as a
>> > server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on
>> > mail-tester.com and have
>> > _dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as
>> > difficult
>> > as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas.
>> >
>> >
>> > Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
>> >> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining
>> >> to
>> >> you directly?
>> >>
>> >> sl
>> >>
>> >> > On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is
>> >> > it
>> >> > getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from
>> >> > 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>

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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 20:49       ` thinktankworkspaces
  2022-03-13 21:09         ` hiro
@ 2022-03-13 21:30         ` Stanley Lieber
  2022-03-15  5:01         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Stanley Lieber @ 2022-03-13 21:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front

fwiw, i have never setup any kind of dmarc for outgoing mail.

sl

> On Mar 13, 2022, at 5:22 PM, thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Great question. My mail kept getting bounced by gmail. Yahoo mail was fine but gmail was a pain 
> 
> For gmail to accept mail I needed a "_dmarc" for the root of the domain and the host "_dmarc.maat.thinktankworkspaces.com".
> 
> Here is the configuration:
> 
> @ 10800 IN SOA ns1.gandi.net. hostmaster.gandi.net. 1646461443 10800 3600 604800 10800
> @ 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 maat.thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 mail.thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN MX 10 thinktankworkspaces.com.
> @ 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> _20948fec0056d2c1f86019ec5d2b200d 10800 IN CNAME 8e44ca796bf0f517dce6d208a55cc87f.d01479e663f61af9158941fd03926cee.d7f2ad3f771764a19618.sectigo.com.
> _dmarc 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1; rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
> _dmarc.maat 10800 IN TXT "v=DMARC1; p=none; fo=1; rua=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com; ruf=mailto:glenda@thinktankworkspaces.com"
> blog 10800 IN CNAME blogs.vip.gandi.net.
> maat 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> maat 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> mail 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> mail 10800 IN TXT "v=spf1 a mx ip4:45.79.94.76 -all"
> www 10800 IN A 45.79.94.76
> 
> All of this was such a pain that decided to write about my experience: 
> 
> http://thinktankworkspaces.com/plan9/email-upas
> 
> Again this seems to be working with a lot of other places I send mail to.
> 
> I very much welcome comments. 
> 
> Plan9 doesn't currently support DKIM. But its helpful to have spf configured and _dmarc even if its not using dkim the _dmarc reveals a lot.
> 
> 'v=DMARC 1 '
> indicates the protocol version.
> 
> The suggested DMARC record above includes a monitor policy (p=none). This means that you are not instructing mailbox providers to take any action with your email that fails authentication. 
> 
> 'fo' lets mailbox providers know you want message samples of emails that failed either SPF and/or DKIM. For the value:
> 'Use 0' to receive a report if both SPF and DKIM fail. (default)
> 'Use 1' to receive a report if either SPF or DKIM fail. (recommended)
> 
> So its interesting it does pass on mail-tester.com and Gmail somehow resolves it and does a pass on the _dmarc for both hosts. 
> 
> 
> Quoth hiro <23hiro@gmail.com>:
>> why would you use dmarc? i was not aware it was necessary for
>> anything. and in this email i see spf is valid, but dmarc isn't.
>> 
>>> On 3/13/22, william@thinktankworkspaces.com
>>> <william@thinktankworkspaces.com> wrote:
>>> Yes. Every time I send to 9front@9front.org. Please keep in mind i'm using
>>> upas as a
>>> server. I suspected it was my problem I worked hard to get 9/10 on
>>> mail-tester.com and have
>>> _dmarc's for host and domain so that google doesn't flag it but as difficult
>>> as it was to get working. I still don't fully understand upas.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Quoth Stanley Lieber <sl@stanleylieber.com>:
>>>> this address is subscribed to the mailing list. are they complaining to
>>>> you directly?
>>>> 
>>>> sl
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 3:37 AM, william@thinktankworkspaces.com wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Why is my mail going to MARIO.BALDINI@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG and why is it
>>>>> getting bounced? Seems to be a forwarding from
>>>>> 9front-bounces@4ess.inri.net
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 


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* Re: [9front] listserv
  2022-03-13 20:49       ` thinktankworkspaces
  2022-03-13 21:09         ` hiro
  2022-03-13 21:30         ` Stanley Lieber
@ 2022-03-15  5:01         ` Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) @ 2022-03-15  5:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: 9front, thinktankworkspaces

thinktankworkspaces@gmail.com writes:
> Great question. My mail kept getting bounced by gmail. Yahoo mail was fine bu
> t gmail was a pain 
>
> For gmail to accept mail I needed a "_dmarc" for the root of the domain and t
> he host "_dmarc.maat.thinktankworkspaces.com".

DMARC is a cluster fuck from start to finish.  If you see it coming for
you, just run away.  Google and Yahoo should be shot dead for inflicting
that crap on everyone.

Seriously, lose the Gmail account and find a mail provider who actually
understands how email works.  Google is not one of them.

--lyndon

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