From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id PAA27335; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:57:12 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from nez-perce.inria.fr (nez-perce.inria.fr [192.93.2.78]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27299 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:57:10 +0100 (MET) Received: from c0mailgw11.prontomail.com ([216.163.180.10]) by nez-perce.inria.fr (8.11.1/8.10.0) with ESMTP id fA7Ev9116831 for ; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 15:57:09 +0100 (MET) Received: by c0mailgw11.prontomail.com (NPlex 5.5.029) id 3BD60E5200276E04 for caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr; Wed, 7 Nov 2001 06:50:19 -0800 Received: from 207.1.194.208 by SmtpServer for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2001 14:50:18 +0000 X-Sender: 29538.starband.net Message-ID: <003a01c1679c$64a15ba0$d0c201cf@XENO> Reply-To: "Eric Newhuis" From: "Eric Newhuis" To: "Caml" References: <001e01c1675c$a4b3e630$0401a8c0@XENO> <20011107184438.A7336@team.ph.inter.net> Subject: Re: Do you mean that C# will be at its head? (was Re: [Caml-list] Jihad) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 08:54:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk You can rest assured I was not referring to C#, but the common language nirvana that Microsoft seems to be hyping. C# is obviously "Microsoft Search & Redevelopment". And I think it is amazing that smart people like Anders Hejlsberg enjoy regurgitating Java at any price. Yes I agree with you and perhaps I am overly optimistic about Microsoft's willingness to help bring Caml to the masses. I am also aware of a few of the difficulties in targeting MSIL. Nevertheless I am hopeful and I will continue the struggle. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rafael 'Dido' Sevilla" To: "Eric Newhuis" Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2001 4:44 AM Subject: Do you mean that C# will be at its head? (was Re: [Caml-list] Jihad) > On Wed, Nov 07, 2001 at 01:20:09AM -0600, Eric Newhuis wrote: > > An Early Hope? > > > > Microsoft's .NET platform may play the role of catalyst in this Jihad. > > For finally we may see theoretically superior research-grade > > languages make their way into the mainstream with a newfound ability > > to use a common library platform (i.e. Microsoft's platform). Once > > When you speak of "theoretically superior research-grade languages", do > you mean C#? Because, if you do, I really have to laugh at what is > otherwise a well-reasoned, well-thought-out rant. I've seen what C# > looks like and, well, what I can say is that Anders Hejlsberg seems to > have opened a "Java for Dummies" book when he began designing the > language! Nothing about it incorporates any of the cutting edge > research into language design that you refer to elsewhere. All it is > really is the marriage of C++ and Java that combines most of the good > parts of both. To call it a "theoretically superior research-grade > language" is the funniest thing I've heard all year. At best, it's an > evolutionary improvement on an old design, a design which you, in the > rest of your rant, blast violently. > > No, I doubt that .NET will be the catalyst for this "Jihad" you talk > about. Microsoft is not pushing any of the alternative languages like > OCaml as its spearhead for .NET, whether they funded development for it > or not. They "invented" (using a loose definition of "invented") C# for > that purpose, and C# is still deep in the family of languages you hit. > > -- > Rafael R. Sevilla +63(2) 8177746 ext. 8311 > Programmer, Inter.Net Philippines +63(917) 4458925 > http://dido.engr.internet.org.ph/ OpenPGP Key ID: 0x5CDA17D8 ------------------- Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr