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From: skaller <skaller@ozemail.com.au>
To: Eric Dahlman <edahlman@atcorp.com>
Cc: John J Lee <jjl@pobox.com>, caml-list@inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Executable size?
Date: 16 Nov 2003 00:36:56 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1068903416.25869.96.camel@pelican> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FB3A6A6.8010108@atcorp.com>

On Fri, 2003-11-14 at 02:43, Eric Dahlman wrote:
> John J Lee wrote:

> My point was that if you are making these sorts of comparisons you 
> cannot just *ignore* the runtime in the C/C++ case and more importantly 
> that C and O'Caml are not fundamentally different in this regard.  By 
> definition it is impossible to write a program in C or C++ which does 
> not use the respective runtime, it cannot be ignored.

That is not true for C, unless you are pedantic and refer to ISO C,
and even then, ISO C has a concept of 'hosted' and 'non-hosted'
systems, with the requirements for non-hosted systems
being considerably less.

A very large number of people do in fact build C all the
time without any runtime library at all: embedded systems
typically don't use any runtime.

You can also do this for C++, even g++ can do it I think
by turning off support for features that require run
time support such as exception handling.

Ocaml on the other hand cannot function at all without the gc.


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-11-15 14:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-11-12 16:14 John J Lee
2003-11-12 17:33 ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 18:06   ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 18:31     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  9:10         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-13 13:46           ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 14:28             ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:21   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 22:53     ` Richard Jones
2003-11-12 23:50       ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 12:48     ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:25       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:06   ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 18:38     ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 19:04       ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-12 21:29         ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:03       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-13  4:14         ` Kamil Shakirov
2003-11-13  9:06           ` Richard Jones
2003-11-13  9:18         ` Sven Luther
2003-11-12 18:46     ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:40       ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 20:10         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2003-11-12 20:35         ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 21:51           ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 21:35             ` David Brown
2003-11-12 22:12           ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:32             ` Brian Hurt
2003-11-12 22:53               ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-12 23:35               ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 23:44             ` John J Lee
2003-11-13  0:26               ` Karl Zilles
2003-11-13  1:29                 ` [Caml-list] F-sharp (was: Executable size?) Oleg Trott
2003-11-14  6:04                   ` [Caml-list] float_of_num Christophe Raffalli
2003-11-13 15:43               ` [Caml-list] Executable size? Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 19:58                 ` John J Lee
2003-11-13 20:36                   ` Eric Dahlman
2003-11-13 22:16                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 13:41                   ` skaller
2003-11-15 15:13                     ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 18:07                       ` skaller
2003-11-15 13:36                 ` skaller [this message]
2003-11-15 15:01                   ` John J Lee
2003-11-15 17:53                     ` skaller
2003-11-13 13:37         ` Florian Hars
2003-11-12 18:05 ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 18:36   ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 19:04     ` Dustin Sallings
2003-11-12 20:17       ` John J Lee
2003-11-12 20:01     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2003-11-13  1:23 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2003-11-15 12:09 ` skaller

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