From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id NAA07974; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:28 +0100 (MET) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA07759 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:27 +0100 (MET) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.173]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i2JCTQHd028551 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:26 +0100 Received: from [212.227.126.160] (helo=mrelayng.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B4J7s-0002UA-00; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:24 +0100 Received: from [80.129.103.122] (helo=gate.gerd-stolpmann.de) by mrelayng.kundenserver.de with asmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1B4J7s-0002yZ-00; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:24 +0100 Received: from ice.gerd-stolpmann.de (ice.gerd-stolpmann.de [192.168.0.13]) by gate.gerd-stolpmann.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0175356C0; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:23 +0100 (CET) Received: by ice.gerd-stolpmann.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 57735B035; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:23 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: OCaml's Cathedral & Bazaar (was Re: [Caml-list] Completeness of "Unix" run-time library) From: Gerd Stolpmann To: Kenneth Knowles Cc: caml-list@inria.fr In-Reply-To: <20040319004742.GA8727@kefka.frap.net> References: <4059994E.2010802@socialtools.net> <20040318151234.B21768@pauillac.inria.fr> <1079653304.990.89.camel@ice.gerd-stolpmann.de> <20040319004742.GA8727@kefka.frap.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1079699362.1303.20.camel@ice.gerd-stolpmann.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:29:23 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de auth:a6865a839c0178d9aa0ce41878507ea2 X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml's:01 caml-list:01 run-time:01 gerd:01 stolpmann:01 fre:99 2004:99 knowles:99 findlib:01 findlib:01 cpan:01 cpan:01 namespaces:01 dependencies:01 namespaces:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 224 On Fre, 2004-03-19 at 01:47, Kenneth Knowles wrote: > > Of course, the Bazaar needs a bit more organisation, and as you know, I > > wrote software supporting this: Findlib and GODI. Findlib is mature > > software, even from a professional point of view, and many people are > > already using it. GODI is already usable. So the technical solutions > > exist (that means: THERE IS A CPAN FOR OCAML, although it uses a > > different implementation for a different language, and does not match > > C.*AN), and the remaining question is: Does the community accept it? > > CPAN is much more than an automatic-installation tool. The social organization > of the perl namespaces is by far the most important aspect of CPAN. The module > to automatically install dependencies etc is just a minor convenience next to > the over-arching organizational structure. My comments with regards to > namespacing and modules are focused on how to present a wide range of extended > libraries in a hierarchy that seems "standard" to someone browsing the archives, > to inspire confidence in the completeness and authoritativeness of the archive. > GODI doesn't (and doesn't intend to, so that's fine) solve this issue, but > clearly the auto-installer on top of such an organization is ready. This is also my point: We need some organization. Of course, as we don't have namespaces in ocaml, so this aspect does not apply (and it would be nonsense to implement namespaces only to have something people can talk about). But there are lots of other aspects, e.g. which libraries are missing, how accessibility of software can be ensured, etc. Gerd -- ------------------------------------------------------------ Gerd Stolpmann * Viktoriastr. 45 * 64293 Darmstadt * Germany gerd@gerd-stolpmann.de http://www.gerd-stolpmann.de ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners