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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Kenneth Knowles <kknowles@berkeley.edu>
Cc: "Brandon J. Van Every" <vanevery@indiegamedesign.com>,
	caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap
Date: 17 Apr 2004 04:10:25 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1082139022.20063.136.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040416160618.GA27238@tallman.kefka.frap.net>

On Sat, 2004-04-17 at 02:06, Kenneth Knowles wrote:

> These are the approaches I can see out there:
> 
> (1) Monolithic automagical GNU Makefile
> (2) O'Caml script outputing make-agnostic Makefile
> (3) Command-line build-every-at-once ocaml tool
> (4) Roll your own Makefile, have the user edit it - often separated into a
>     Makefile.config.
> (5) Use autoconf (why, oh why?  it doesn't offer any O'Caml support)
> (6) Interscript? I don't really understand what it does and what the developer
>     must do.

I'm against make. It just isn't necessary. Make is for C developers,
not Ocaml package installation. To build a package it suffices
to run a sequence of commands in a fixed order.

To understand interscript .. what does it do?
The answer is the same as tar -zxvf, except that
'extracting' a file can execute arbitrary code.
Its that simple. Here's an example:

@head(1,"My program")
Its only a demo.

@select(tangler("sample.ml")
let f x = x + x
@for i in [1..10]:
  tangle("print_endline (f "+i+");")

@doc()
This demo prints 2,4, .. 20. The Python script
means: @head -- document heading level 1.
The @select(tangler("sample.ml")) .. means 
"write the following stuff to sample.ml"

The @ starts an arbitrary Python command.
The select, tangler, and head functions
are just interscript library functions,
nothing special. The tangle() functions
write a string to output.

The for loop prints out 

print_endline(f 1);
print_endline(f 2);
...
etc up to 10. It is just a standard Python construction,
nothing special. If you want to compile
the above program instantly, here is how to do it:

@os.system("ocamlc -c sample.ml")

Duh. It just calls Python's system function,
which is C's system function. It is more usual
to do this though:

@select(tangler("Makefile"))
all:
@tangle("\tocamlc -c sample.ml")

@doc()
and then after you run interscript you have
a makefile, and you can compile using 
the ordinary 'make' command. 

The point of all this is: you can do anything
you want. Its just Python script, with a little
control loop that copies lines to the weaver
for typesetting, the tangler to write a source
file, or executes them (if they start with @).

Oh yes, there is much more than that,
but this is the basic idea...

EXECISE: What does this do:

@os.system("ocaml sample.ml > sample.out")
@f = open("sample.out")
@for i in [1..10]:
  tangle(f.readline())
@doc()

If you want to see a more advanced use
of the executable facilities, examine
section 6.4 of the interscript implementation
listing at http://interscript.sf.net.

What you will see there is the full
Unicode data, and code tables for something like
30 other standard character sets -- there
are hundreds of pages of character tables,
and the whole of it is generated by about
a page of code which downloads and reads
the unicode.org data files.

Here is a real example from Felix compiler.
Have you ever got annoyed at copying
things in both mli and ml files??

@head(1,'Compile time exceptions')
@python('//')
exceptions = """
open Flx_ast
open Flx_types
exception SyntaxError of string
exception ParseError of string
exception LexError of string
exception TokenError of string
exception ClientError of range_srcref * string
exception ClientError2 of range_srcref * range_srcref * string
exception SystemError of range_srcref * string
exception Exit of int
exception Bad_recursion
exception Expr_recursion of expr_t
exception Free_fixpoint of btypecode_t 
exception Unresolved_return of range_srcref * string
"""
//
@h = tangler('src/flx_exceptions.ml')
@select(h)
@tangle(exceptions)
let clierr2 sr sr2 s = raise (ClientError2 (sr,sr2,s))
let clierr sr s = raise (ClientError (sr,s))
let syserr sr s = raise (SystemError (sr,s))
let catch s f = try f() with _ -> failwith s

@h = tangler('src/flx_exceptions.mli')
@select(h)
@tangle(exceptions)
val clierr: range_srcref -> string -> 'a
val clierr2: range_srcref -> range_srcref -> string -> 'a
val syserr: range_srcref -> string -> 'a
val catch: string -> (unit -> 'a) -> 'a



-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-04-16 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-07 18:47 [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code John Goerzen
2004-04-07 20:37 ` Samuel Mimram
2004-04-07 21:05 ` Basile Starynkevitch
2002-01-04  0:43   ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  0:58     ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08  6:24     ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08  7:47       ` Oleg Trott
2004-04-08  8:04         ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  7:52       ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-04-08  8:15         ` Dustin Sallings
2004-04-08 13:37       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 14:56         ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:14           ` Richard Jones
2004-04-08 15:26             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 15:39               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 15:58               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 17:59                 ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-08 18:20                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:39                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 19:21                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 18:29                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13  6:15                 ` Trevor Andrade
2004-04-13 11:17                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 13:16                     ` skaller
2004-04-13 14:24                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-13 14:53                       ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 18:07                         ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI (was: Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 19:30                           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 19:57                             ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Christophe TROESTLER
2004-04-13 20:45                               ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  0:34                                 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14  5:35                                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:00                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:21                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  9:17                                         ` james woodyatt
2004-04-14  6:16                                     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:38                                       ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  8:32                                         ` Matt Gushee
2004-04-14  8:48                                           ` Wolfgang Müller
2004-04-14  8:40                                         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 17:14                                           ` David Brown
2004-04-14 18:50                                             ` [Caml-list] benefit of package management Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-15  6:46                                             ` [Caml-list] BSD vs. GPL Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14 15:05                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15  0:20                                           ` skaller
2004-04-15  2:36                                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-15 17:48                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-14 10:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI skaller
2004-04-14  1:04                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14  2:52                               ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  5:14                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14  6:53                                   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-14  6:57                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                     ` <407D2075.2070104@jollys.org>
2004-04-14 16:14                                       ` ocamlconf on Cygwin (Re: [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake) Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-14  7:50                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-14 11:54                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 16:49                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  1:05                                         ` skaller
2004-04-15  6:34                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15  7:33                                             ` skaller
2004-04-15 16:00                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
     [not found]                                                 ` <1082049025.20677.1250.camel@pelican>
2004-04-15 17:38                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-15 23:58                                                     ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16  1:16                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16  6:31                                                         ` [Caml-list] build tools - good vs. fast, both cheap Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-16 14:38                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 15:16                                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:12                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 16:17                                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 16:39                                                                   ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  6:01                                                                     ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-17  6:25                                                                       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-17  9:19                                                                       ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-16 21:53                                                             ` William Lovas
2004-04-17  2:30                                                               ` skaller
2004-04-17  5:47                                                               ` Blair Zajac
2004-04-17  6:28                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 14:52                                                           ` skaller
2004-04-16 16:06                                                           ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 18:10                                                             ` skaller [this message]
2004-04-16 18:43                                                               ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 19:55                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 18:46                                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-16 18:55                                                                 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-16 20:22                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-16 19:39                                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-16 21:00                                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  9:47                                           ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Markus Mottl
2004-04-15 16:38                                             ` skaller
2004-04-16  1:30                                               ` Richard Cole
2004-04-16 14:11                                                 ` skaller
2004-04-15  1:25                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 12:19                                     ` skaller
2004-04-14 18:21                                       ` [Caml-list] recompiling bytecode Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-14 18:54                                         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-14 20:26                                           ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-14 20:35                                         ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-15  1:39                                         ` skaller
2004-04-14 13:03                                   ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI vs. Ocamake Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-14 12:45                                 ` [Caml-list] Re: GODI Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-13 15:03                       ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Matt Gushee
2004-04-13 17:24                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-09  5:40             ` skaller
2004-04-08 15:30           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 16:08             ` Xavier Leroy
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 17:35               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09  6:41                 ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:44               ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-09  6:23               ` skaller
2004-04-09  6:33                 ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  7:37                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:17                     ` Remi Vanicat
2004-04-09  8:35                     ` OT: licences (was Re: [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-10 10:10                       ` skaller
2004-04-09  8:36                 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Markus Mottl
2004-04-10  9:59                   ` skaller
2004-04-09  9:09                 ` james woodyatt
2004-04-08 16:44             ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 17:55               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-09 13:44                 ` Bruno.Verlyck
2004-04-08 15:31           ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 19:52             ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-25 23:07               ` [Caml-list] Is GCaml Dead Again? Greg K
2004-04-08 15:04         ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Fernando Alegre
2004-04-08 15:22         ` Jean-Marc EBER
2004-04-09  6:44           ` Pierre Weis
2004-04-08 15:23         ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-08 15:38           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-08 22:31             ` Markus Mottl
2004-04-08 18:28           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-08 17:15         ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-08 18:32           ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-09  5:04         ` skaller
2004-04-08 17:25       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-08  7:10     ` Basile Starynkevitch
2004-04-08 17:09       ` Issac Trotts
2004-04-07 21:32 ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 20:39   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-07 21:47     ` Vitaly Lugovsky
2004-04-07 22:14     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-08  7:49     ` skaller
2004-04-08 19:11     ` Christophe TROESTLER
     [not found] ` <200404072306.15109.clement.capel@free.fr>
2004-04-07 23:25   ` clement capel
2004-04-13 21:25     ` [Caml-list] eval for OCaml Brock
2004-04-08  0:17 ` [Caml-list] Dynamically evaluating OCaml code Jon Harrop
2004-04-08 17:31 ` Walid Taha

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