From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: (from majordomo@localhost) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) id QAA01894; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:06:54 +0200 (MET DST) X-Authentication-Warning: pauillac.inria.fr: majordomo set sender to owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr using -f Received: from concorde.inria.fr (concorde.inria.fr [192.93.2.39]) by pauillac.inria.fr (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA00568 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:06:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.181]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i3PE6oYM030482 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 16:06:52 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.200] (ppp119-113.lns1.syd2.internode.on.net [150.101.119.113]) by smtp1.adl2.internode.on.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id i3PE6mZq080834; Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:36:48 +0930 (CST) Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library From: skaller Reply-To: skaller@users.sourceforge.net To: Benjamin Geer Cc: james woodyatt , The Caml Trade In-Reply-To: <408BAD05.7060205@socialtools.net> References: <20040423185148.GA4434@excelhustler.com> <20040423195206.GA27257@tallman.kefka.frap.net> <20040423202342.GA5962@excelhustler.com> <20040423223611.33ef1c08@haddock.max.fr> <20040423211003.GD6783@excelhustler.com> <20040423213325.GF6783@excelhustler.com> <93448C92-9685-11D8-891D-000A958FF2FE@wetware.com> <408BAD05.7060205@socialtools.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1082902006.9537.337.camel@pelican.wigram> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 26 Apr 2004 00:06:47 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Miltered: at concorde by Joe's j-chkmail ("http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr")! X-Loop: caml-list@inria.fr X-Spam: no; 0.00; caml-list:01 sourceforge:01 2004:99 woodyatt:01 java's:01 gui:01 vastly:01 java's:01 crap:01 vastly:01 9660:01 glebe:01 nightmare:01 garbage:01 garbage:01 Sender: owner-caml-list@pauillac.inria.fr Precedence: bulk On Sun, 2004-04-25 at 22:20, Benjamin Geer wrote: > james woodyatt wrote: > > On 23 Apr 2004, at 14:33, John Goerzen wrote: > >> A plethora of mutually-incompatible modules that duplicate and extend > >> standard library features is in nobody's interest. The result will be > >> an irrelevant standard library and a fragmented development community. > > > > Yeah— that was such a huge roadblock to the popularity of the C language. > > The difficulty of writing portable C or C++ code, given the differences > between libraries available on different platforms, has been one of the > main reasons for the massive industry shift towards Java in recent years. Portable C++ is easy to write. The main reason for Java's success, technically, is as simple as "garbage collection". The main library reason was the standard GUI. Portable graphics is impossible without a standard, Java had it. And as we all know memory management in C is a nightmare. C++ is vastly superior with constructors/destructors but garbage collection is hard to beat for easy memory management :D However, the 'main' reason for Java's success wasn't technical. I mean, that woeful crap still doesn't have any kind of serious polymorphism. C++ is vastly superior as a language to Java. -- John Skaller, mailto:skaller@users.sf.net voice: 061-2-9660-0850, snail: PO BOX 401 Glebe NSW 2037 Australia Checkout the Felix programming language http://felix.sf.net ------------------- To unsubscribe, mail caml-list-request@inria.fr Archives: http://caml.inria.fr Bug reports: http://caml.inria.fr/bin/caml-bugs FAQ: http://caml.inria.fr/FAQ/ Beginner's list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ocaml_beginners