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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: "Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk" <qrczak@knm.org.pl>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library
Date: 03 May 2004 20:58:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1083581924.20722.584.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1083574691.1643.55.camel@qrnik>

On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 18:58, Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk wrote:

> (The primary example is C++ where evaluation of constant expressions
> can influence parsing of further parts, with name resolution and type
> checking and template instantiation sitting between so they are also all
> mutually recursive. I have no idea how to sanely organize a C++
> compiler.)

Neither did any of the C++ compiler writers for at least 15 years.

> Hmm. This probably depends on the language. Mine doesn't have anything
> which requires far "phase lookahead". 

Felix is statically typed, everything is recursive,
recursive types are supported, it has generics,
overloading by selecting the most specialised 
function (like C++). Whilst a function parameter
must be annotated with a type, the return type
doesn't need to be given (usually:). 

Also 'typeof(e)' is allowed.. including for
function parameter types ...

To solve this algebraically I think I'd need
meta-sums: the type of an overload 

	f: int -> 'a
	f: long -> 'b

would be something like:

	int of 'a | long of 'b

so that

	f x

would be typed:

	typematch typeof(x) with 
	| int 'a -> 'a
	| long 'b -> ;b


I actually support such type terms as well as lambda abstractions.
>From the std library:

  typedef fun dom(t:TYPE):TYPE = 
    typematch t with
    | ?a -> _ => a
    endmatch
  ;

Note that dom isn't a total function, and so this isn't
entirely parametric polymophism: the construction clearly
allows for partial specialisations .. :)

However the overload resolution doesn't use this stuff
(I'm not sure how to do all the reductions).

Anyhow there is a central 'bottleneck', lookup,
where all the nesting and recursion is unravelled.
Thereafter everything is flat and fully bound,
and much easier to work with..

.. data flow analysis will be a breeze by comparison :D

> The only troublesome part wrt. the order was possible recursion among
> definitions in a block. All definitions are potentially mutually
> recursive,

Same in Felix

>  and using a name before its definition has been executed, in
> any other way than attaching it to a closure, is an error, by necessity
> sometimes detected only at runtime.

In Felix this can't be a problem for functions, only for
variables. Unlike Ocaml, 

	fun f ...

declares a class, whilst

	let f x = ..

in Ocaml constructs a value. Ocaml's f is a closure immediately,
Felix's is just a C++ class. The class gets instantiated
on use, so direct calls are never a problem. Neither is intermodule
recursion. uninitialised variables are possible though: 
I just blame the programmer :D

> The duplication was getting ugly. 

I know the feeling, except in my case 'multiplication' would
be more precise than mere 'duplicaton' :)

> So my solution was to analyze each sequence of definitions in two
> mini-phases, with an explicit representation between them. 

Right. Hence your comment in a previous email: you've got
an intermediate representation (ugly) but it's localised
enough to be sensible in some way, for example linear.

> > Interested in how you handle tail calls in C.
> 
> The portable variant uses the well-known trampoline style, where each C
> function returns a pointer to the next function to jump into. The stack
> is managed explicitly. 

That's what Felix does for procedures (except I'm using heap
store for stack frames). I can now convert tail procedure calls
into gotos. But I do no such thing for functions, they just
run on the stack (even though their stack frames are heap allocated,
the return addresses are not).

> But for x86 I process the assembler output of gcc
> and convert code which returns an address (marked with a comment in asm)
> with a jump. This increased performance by about 30%.

Ah. Inline asm tricks  .. been thinking of that. 

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-03 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-04-23 18:51 John Goerzen
2004-04-23 19:52 ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 20:09   ` Alexander V. Voinov
2004-04-23 20:27     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:23   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 20:36     ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:10       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:12         ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:18           ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:32             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-23 21:46             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:58               ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-24  8:15                 ` Matthieu BRUCHER
2004-04-24  8:15                   ` Maxence Guesdon
2004-04-23 21:36           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 21:33         ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:04           ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  4:26             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  8:13               ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24  9:28                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-25  8:56                   ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-25 11:54                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 14:53                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 21:02                         ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-25 19:42                     ` Common IO structure (was Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 13:16                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Common IO structure Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 13:53                         ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:26                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  6:52                             ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26 14:23                         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:55                           ` skaller
2004-04-26 15:26                           ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-26 19:28                             ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 20:56                               ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:14                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:32                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 21:52                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-27 16:00                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 21:51                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 19:08                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 22:22                                   ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-28  7:42                                     ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-29 10:13                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 15:43                               ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 16:17                                 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-27 16:58                                   ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-27 23:35                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  3:44                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:01                                         ` Richard Jones
2004-04-28 21:30                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28 21:44                                           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 22:41                                             ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 11:51                                               ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:03                                                 ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:16                                                   ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 10:27                                             ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 13:03                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 13:40                                                 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 14:02                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:31                                                     ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-29 17:31                                                       ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 23:53                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-30  4:10                                                           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 11:23                                             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 12:23                                               ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 15:10                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:35                                                   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:46                                                     ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-29 15:58                                                       ` Richard Jones
2004-04-29 20:41                                                       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 22:35                                                         ` Benjamin Geer
2004-05-01 14:37                                                 ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-29 13:23                                               ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 14:12                                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29 15:37                                                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-28  7:05                                       ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28  0:20                                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  3:39                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 13:04                                     ` Richard Jones
2004-04-24  9:40               ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library Oliver Bandel
2004-04-23 22:54           ` Henri DF
2004-04-23 23:11           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-25  6:55           ` james woodyatt
2004-04-25  7:56             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-25 11:50             ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 13:55               ` skaller
2004-04-26 12:08                 ` Martin Berger
2004-04-26 12:51                   ` skaller
2004-04-26 14:49                   ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:31                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-28  5:13                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28  8:37                       ` skaller
2004-04-28  9:18                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-28 11:24                           ` skaller
2004-04-28 15:18                             ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 16:28                               ` skaller
2004-04-28 18:02                                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-29  0:54                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29 11:57                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-29 13:38                                     ` John Goerzen
2004-04-28 18:42                                 ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  1:03                                   ` skaller
2004-04-29  1:56                                     ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  2:35                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  3:00                                       ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:04                                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-29  5:38                                           ` skaller
2004-04-29  5:47                                     ` james woodyatt
2004-04-29 12:05                                     ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 17:07                             ` james woodyatt
2004-04-28 17:31                               ` skaller
2004-05-03  0:02                                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03  7:54                                   ` skaller
2004-05-03  8:58                                     ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 10:58                                       ` skaller [this message]
2004-05-03 12:40                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 13:04                                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-05-03 14:24                                           ` brogoff
2004-05-03 15:26                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 15:08                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 16:00                                             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-05-03 11:32                                       ` [Caml-list] Re: Tail-calls in C code (was: [ANN] The Missing Library) Wolfgang Lux
2004-05-03 12:34                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:38                                         ` skaller
2004-05-03 12:55                                           ` skaller
2004-05-03 13:02                                         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-04-28 15:15                       ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-28 20:43                         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-30 15:58                       ` Brian Hurt
2004-05-01  2:48                         ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:24                     ` skaller
2004-04-28  8:42                       ` Martin Berger
2004-04-28 11:38                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 16:07                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 11:31                       ` [Caml-list] " Yaron M. Minsky
2004-04-28 12:09                         ` skaller
2004-04-28 12:36                           ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 13:39                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:02                               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-28 15:34                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:15                           ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 14:31                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 14:40                               ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-04-28 15:51                                 ` skaller
2004-04-28 13:29                           ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-04-28 16:10                           ` [Caml-list] " Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 17:14                             ` skaller
2004-04-28 17:34                               ` Shivkumar Chandrasekaran
2004-04-28 20:00                               ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-25 12:20             ` [Caml-list] " Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25 14:06               ` skaller
2004-04-25 15:07                 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26  0:19                   ` skaller
2004-04-23 22:08         ` Basile STARYNKEVITCH
2004-04-24  4:40           ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24 10:10           ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 19:31             ` skaller
2004-04-23 20:54     ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 21:07       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-25 15:43       ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  0:22         ` skaller
2004-04-28  4:10           ` Brian Hurt
2004-04-26  6:48     ` Florian Hars
2004-04-23 20:41 ` Eric C. Cooper
2004-04-23 21:16   ` John Goerzen
2004-04-23 22:28     ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-23 22:37       ` Kenneth Knowles
2004-04-23 23:16         ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24  1:38           ` [Caml-list] ocamlopt -pack portability John Carr
2004-04-24 10:31             ` Oliver Bandel
2004-04-24 16:53               ` John Carr
2004-04-24  4:46         ` [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library John Goerzen
2004-04-24  2:43       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  9:19         ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-24 12:27           ` Shawn Wagner
2004-04-24 12:58             ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-24 17:36               ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-04-26 14:49               ` Florian Hars
2004-04-24  2:44       ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-04-24  4:51       ` John Goerzen
2004-04-24  5:11         ` Jon Harrop
2004-04-24 12:59       ` Proposal: community standard library project (was: Re: [Caml-list] [ANN] The Missing Library) Benjamin Geer
2004-04-24 17:29         ` [Caml-list] RE: Proposal: community standard library project Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-24 18:23           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-25  4:37             ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  1:45         ` [Caml-list] " Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-04-26  3:03           ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-26  7:43           ` Martin Jambon
2004-04-26 18:25           ` Benjamin Geer
2004-04-26 19:37             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-26 20:24               ` skaller
2004-04-26 20:39                 ` John Goerzen
2004-04-26 22:17                   ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27  9:06                   ` skaller
2004-04-27  9:35                     ` Alain.Frisch
2004-04-27 11:29                     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-04-27 12:52                       ` skaller
2004-04-27 18:13                       ` [Caml-list] CVS labeling (was Re: Proposal: community standard library project) Brandon J. Van Every
2004-04-27 18:53                         ` John Goerzen

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