From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Richard Jones <rich@annexia.org>
Cc: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1
Date: 06 Sep 2004 18:59:30 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094461169.3352.1022.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040906010601.GB20406@annexia.org>
On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 11:06, Richard Jones wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 05, 2004 at 03:20:56PM +1000, skaller wrote:
> > My personal take is: all 'make' based build systems
> > are fundamentally flawed because they're based on
> > the wrong concept.
>
> Can I stand up for 'make' (well, GNU make anyway) and point out
> that whatever its philosophical problems, it:
>
> (a) works
No it doesn't. That's the problem. If it really did work,
why do imake, omake, ocamake, cake, and many other
such derivates exist?
It fails to be even marginally scalable -- for any significant
project it collapses almost immediately, and these days
it fails -- totally and abysmally -- to cope with 99% of
all C projects as well -- which is why those projects also
use M4, Auto* tools, shell scripts, make templates, Perl
or Python, and many other such tools.
Extend that to a major system requiring multi-platform
support, multiple target kinds (debugging, s
tatic/dynamic link ...) multiple developers, versioning,
documentation and testing, multiple languages,
etc etc and the collapse is total -- the tool becomes
an *impediment* to productivity. Mandating that the
whole of such a control system be written in Perl
plus a small set of external tools is a much better,
more expressive and scalable solution.
I'm not saying make isn't useful, I'm saying it isn't
a general purpose project build tool. It doesn't even
come close.
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Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-04 16:26 Jason Hickey
2004-09-04 17:42 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-04 18:27 ` chris.danx
2004-09-04 19:59 ` Matthieu Dubuget
2004-09-05 5:20 ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:20 ` David Brown
2004-09-05 14:31 ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:02 ` David Brown
2004-09-05 16:14 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05 15:07 ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:53 ` skaller
2004-09-06 0:25 ` chris.danx
2004-09-06 8:17 ` skaller
2004-09-05 13:38 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 14:50 ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 15:01 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 15:44 ` chris.danx
2004-09-05 16:10 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:38 ` skaller
2004-09-05 17:15 ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:11 ` skaller
2004-09-05 16:21 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 19:09 ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:08 ` skaller
2004-09-05 15:38 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 17:04 ` skaller
2004-09-05 18:45 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 20:12 ` skaller
2004-09-05 21:30 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 22:41 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06 12:13 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-05 16:09 ` David Brown
2004-09-05 18:31 ` skaller
2004-09-06 10:56 ` Andreas Rossberg
2004-09-06 15:51 ` skaller
2004-09-06 7:11 ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06 12:20 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-06 14:12 ` Christian Lindig
2004-09-06 1:06 ` Richard Jones
2004-09-06 1:50 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06 9:09 ` skaller
2004-09-06 8:59 ` skaller [this message]
2004-09-04 23:58 ` Nicolas Cannasse
2004-09-05 1:18 ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05 1:26 ` [Caml-list] Perl Conjury (alternative to Unix make) james woodyatt
2004-09-05 2:03 ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 David Brown
2004-09-05 2:37 ` james woodyatt
2004-09-05 6:24 ` Nathaniel Gray
2004-09-05 20:38 ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 0:12 ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06 0:33 ` [Omake] " Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 3:54 ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06 6:39 ` Jason Hickey
2004-09-06 8:10 ` james woodyatt
2004-09-06 7:50 ` [Omake] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2004-09-06 14:52 ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-06 17:20 ` skaller
2004-09-06 9:52 ` skaller
2004-09-06 15:10 ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-07 13:26 ` David Brown
2004-09-06 1:14 ` Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-06 2:35 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-06 9:38 ` skaller
2004-09-06 11:34 ` Jacques Garrigue
2004-09-06 16:28 ` skaller
2004-09-06 16:42 ` Christopher A. Watford
2004-09-06 16:59 ` Richard Jones
2004-09-07 2:21 ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-07 6:17 ` skaller
2004-09-07 8:24 ` Benjamin Geer
2004-09-07 13:35 ` David Brown
2004-09-06 7:51 ` Daniel Andor
2004-09-05 20:38 ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-05 22:57 ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06 0:17 ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 13:31 ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-06 19:28 ` [Caml-list] Godi for OMake [Was: Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 20:18 ` Olivier Grisel
[not found] ` <41537DAE.1050601@cs.caltech.edu>
2004-09-24 13:50 ` Olivier Grisel
2004-09-24 18:37 ` [Caml-list] OCamlFind support in OMake [Was: Godi for OMake] Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-04 18:01 ` [Caml-list] Announcing the OMake build system version 0.9.1 Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05 1:38 ` Eray Ozkural
2004-09-05 6:12 ` Yamagata Yoriyuki
2004-09-05 12:48 ` Yaron Minsky
2004-09-05 20:39 ` Aleksey Nogin
2004-09-06 12:24 Jason Smith
2004-09-06 15:54 ` Christopher A. Watford
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