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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Damien Doligez <damien.doligez@inria.fr>
Cc: caml users <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Gripes with array
Date: 11 Sep 2004 11:43:07 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1094866987.23076.132.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BD38E8B6-032F-11D9-8FD7-00039310CAE8@inria.fr>

On Fri, 2004-09-10 at 23:45, Damien Doligez wrote:

>  An intermediate solution would
> be to make a "Array.unsafe_make" primitive, which would use memset 
> instead of initialising the array properly.  

Yeah but that doesn't solve the problem of filling
the array initially with some 'non-binary-zero' value.
You'd still need two passes: the memset and the
proper fill (hence paging all the memory in twice).

AFAICS tracking how much of an array is initialised
with an index the GC can use costs a single
comparison when you're not initialising arrays.
EG: the GC has a list of blocks undergoing
initialisation, determining the list is empty
should be a single machine instruction.

If you're initialising an array without any
recursion, that's two comparisons.

So the only time there would be a serious impact
on the GC would be if you're initialising many
big arrays all at once (EG if you're making a matrix
as an array of arrays), and that cost would be
small compared to scanning twice.

I can't predict the performance of the one
extra comparison needed when no arrays are
being initialised because it probably depends
on the processor cache design -- how much
can one machine instruction + one memory
reference cost?

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  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-11  1:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-09  2:10 Jon Harrop
2004-09-09  5:08 ` Ville-Pertti Keinonen
2004-09-09  7:17 ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-09-09  8:23   ` Richard Jones
2004-09-09  9:08     ` Olivier Andrieu
2004-09-09 12:08       ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-09-09 12:31         ` Damien Doligez
2004-09-09 10:42     ` Gerd Stolpmann
2004-09-09  9:37 ` Damien Doligez
2004-09-09 10:34   ` Jean-Christophe Filliatre
2004-09-09 12:15     ` Igor Pechtchanski
2004-09-09 13:01   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-09 20:08     ` [Caml-list] 32-bit is sticking around Brandon J. Van Every
2004-09-09 21:04       ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-11 15:30         ` Lars Nilsson
2004-09-11 16:24           ` [off topic] " David MENTRE
2004-09-11 17:52             ` Lars Nilsson
     [not found]           ` <200409111656.11952.jon@jdh30.plus.com>
2004-09-11 17:47             ` Lars Nilsson
2004-09-09 16:58   ` [Caml-list] Gripes with array Jon Harrop
2004-09-10  5:56     ` Array.init (was [Caml-list] Gripes with array) Christophe Raffalli
2004-09-10  8:53       ` Richard Jones
2004-09-10 14:50         ` Damien Doligez
2004-09-13  7:02       ` Christophe Raffalli
2004-09-10 13:45     ` [Caml-list] Gripes with array Damien Doligez
2004-09-11  1:43       ` skaller [this message]
2004-09-11  3:16         ` skaller
2004-09-11 14:36       ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-11 20:53         ` Damien Doligez
2004-09-12 15:33           ` Jon Harrop
2004-09-12 16:07             ` Basile Starynkevitch [local]
2004-09-10 23:48 ` brogoff

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