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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: caml-list <caml-list@inria.fr>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Re: OCAML Downcasting?
Date: 22 Sep 2004 11:04:38 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1095815077.2580.935.camel@pelican.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040921220621.92EA99BD95@orchestra.cs.caltech.edu>

On Wed, 2004-09-22 at 08:06, Michael Vanier wrote:

> Um, no, they didn't.  In fact, it's a completely different mechanism.  The
> compiler erases the generic information so that the JVM sees only old-style
> java classes without parameterization and adds casts where needed.  OK,
> this wasn't the greatest example in the world, because it relies massively
> on RTTI.

Ocaml does this too. However, the polymorphism uses *static*
type checking to erase the type information, and doesn't
need to use RTTI.

BTW: Ocaml *does* provide limited RTTI and 
dynamic dispatch on that RTTI. If you examine:

type num = Int of int | Float of float

match x with
| Int x -> print_int x
| Float x -> print_float x

you can see that the match must use RTTI and it does.
However it isn't a full description of the type,
just an integral 'tag' allowing a switch to the 
correct case. Not enough information to check
the type -- the static type system has
checked already 'up to which variant' and the
rest is done at runtime.

Similarly, RTTI is used to do array bounds
checks in Ocaml: arrays typing is weaker
than in Pascal, which never needs array
bound checks, or Modula, where advanced
analysis can elide about 60% of such checks.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-22  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <ci7tcf$qqf$1@wolfberry.srv.cs.cmu.edu>
     [not found] ` <ci9ggm$i6p$1@wolfberry.srv.cs.cmu.edu>
2004-09-21  8:03   ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-21  8:43     ` Damien Pous
2004-09-21  9:15       ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-21  9:29         ` skaller
2004-09-21  9:49           ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-21  9:34         ` Stefano Zacchiroli
2004-09-21  9:56           ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-21 19:27     ` Michael Vanier
2004-09-21 21:38       ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-21 22:06         ` Michael Vanier
2004-09-21 22:32           ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-22  1:04           ` skaller [this message]
2004-09-21 22:20         ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-22  2:26           ` skaller
2004-09-22  6:31             ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-22  9:03               ` sejourne_kevin
2004-09-22 10:29               ` Richard Jones
2004-09-22 18:39                 ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-22 10:50               ` skaller
2004-09-22 12:03               ` Alain Frisch
2004-09-22 12:50               ` Cláudio Valente
2004-09-22 13:15                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-22 15:50                   ` skaller
2004-09-22 18:42               ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-22 18:44                 ` Marcin 'Qrczak' Kowalczyk
2004-09-22 19:18                   ` Brian Hurt
2004-09-22  0:50         ` skaller
2004-09-22  1:30       ` Jacques GARRIGUE
2004-09-22  2:59         ` skaller

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