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From: Claudio Russo <crusso@microsoft.com>
To: Brian Rogoff <bpr@best.com>, Dave Berry <dave@kal.com>
Cc: Alain Frisch <frisch@clipper.ens.fr>,
	Caml list <caml-list@inria.fr>,
	kfl@it.edu, sestoft@dina.kvl.dk
Subject: RE: first class, recursive, mixin modules (was: RE: first class m odules)
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 04:12:03 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <112C6E8A1B25D34BB27D48D2FD2E96CFC9DED6@TVP-MSG-02.europe.corp.microsoft.com> (raw)

I wasn't quite sure of your intention, but I did get the attached code
to work in Mosml (it includes
a port of the Ocaml libraries and a fleshed out implementation of your
idea).

Unfortunately, this only works in an internal release of Moscow, because
of a (known)
bug in the current distribution. 

For the record, your functor application Make(Ord)is fine because it is
applied to a local, already defined structure.
> structure T = rec(X : COMPOSITE) 
>   struct 
> 	structure Composite = 
>           struct 
>             datatype t = { data : int ; children : X.CompositeSet.t }
>           end
>         structure Ord : Set.OrderedType = 
>           struct 
>             type t = Composite.t 
>             let compare = Pervasives.compare
>           end
> 	structure CompositeSet = Set.Make(Ord)  
>     end
An application like Make(T.Ord), through the forward reference, would
raise the Bind exception, because T (and T.Ord) is 
undefined at that point (although Ord is).

-c


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Rogoff [mailto:bpr@best.com]
> Sent: 11 January 2001 20:01
> To: Dave Berry
> Cc: Claudio Russo; Alain Frisch; Caml list
> Subject: RE: first class, recursive, mixin modules (was: RE: 
> first class
> m odules)
> 
> 
> My "litmus test" for recursive modules is that it fixes the well known
> problem with expressing what OO folk call the Composite pattern,
> essentially a recursively defined collection type with a leaf/node
> relationship. Here is an approxmation of what I want to do in 
> "faux-Mosml
> with OCaml libraries". Forgive my errors, I don't use SML. The idea
> should be clear. 
> 
> signature COMPOSITE = 
>     rec(X : sig structure CompositeSet : sig type t end end) 
>     sig structure Composite : 
>                   sig 
>                     datatype t = 
>                       { data : int ; children : X.CompositeSet.t }
>                   end
>         structure CompositeSet : (Set.S where type elt = Composite.t) 
>     end;
> 
> structure T = rec(X : COMPOSITE) 
>   struct 
> 	structure Composite = 
>           struct 
>             datatype t = { data : int ; children : X.CompositeSet.t }
>           end
>         structure Ord : Set.OrderedType = 
>           struct 
>             type t = Composite.t 
>             let compare = Pervasives.compare
>           end
> 	structure CompositeSet = Set.Make(Ord)  
>     end
> 
> This is syntactically heavy, but better than the 
> parameterization trick 
> needed now, and I'd be satisfied. I do need to do that functor
> instantiation, so if you can't do it in Mosml it needs to be added. 
> 
> I agree that the first-class module extension is useful on 
> its own too,
> but in my own programming the problem I mention above arises 
> frequently
> enough that I consider this a flaw of (current) ML style 
> modules. Every 
> language has flaws but since OCaml is so close to perfection 
> every flaw 
> seems large ;-). 
> 
> -- Brian
> 
>  On Thu, 11 Jan 2001, Dave Berry wrote:
> 
> > We ran into an example (in SML) during the development of 
> MLWorks.  I can
> > only remember it vaguely, but there were two large module 
> hierarchies.
> > These hierarchies were in logically different parts of the 
> system.  A new
> > development built on top of these hierarchies meant that we 
> needed to make
> > one element from the bottom of each hierarchy be mutually 
> recursive with
> > each other.  I suspect that since we were using a fully 
> functorised style,
> > what we wanted to do was to make two functors mutually 
> recursive.  In
> > practice we had to combine the module hierarchies to make 
> the types and
> > values mutually recursive at the bottom of the new hierarchy.
> > 
> > I wish I could remember what the example was, because it 
> was a clear case
> > where the ML module system was too inflexible to meet the 
> pragmatic needs.
> > Imagine how we would have been stuck if the two module 
> hierarchies were
> > libraries from different suppliers, especially if they were 
> only distributed
> > in compiled form.
> > 
> > Dave. 
> >   
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Claudio Russo [mailto:crusso@microsoft.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 10:33
> > To: Alain Frisch
> > Cc: Brian Rogoff; Caml list
> > Subject: RE: first class, recursive, mixin modules (was: 
> RE: first class
> > modules)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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             reply	other threads:[~2001-01-14 20:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-01-12 12:12 Claudio Russo [this message]
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2001-02-09  9:41 Claudio Russo
2001-02-09 16:47 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-02-09 21:45 ` William Chesters
2001-01-15 14:13 Dave Berry
2001-01-14 20:51 Brian Rogoff
2001-01-11 18:15 Dave Berry
2001-01-11 20:01 ` Brian Rogoff

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