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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Asfand Yar Qazi <email@asfandyar.cjb.net>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:15:08 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1141751708.20944.355.camel@budgie.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <440DB255.1030701@asfandyar.cjb.net>

On Tue, 2006-03-07 at 16:18 +0000, Asfand Yar Qazi wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've temporarily decided to leave off learning OCaml (although I still intend 
> to learn it at some point) and start learning Haskell due to its support for 
> Software Transactional Memory and lock-free concurrent programming.

AFAIK STM is not lock free. It simply limits the locking period
to a bounded time, at the expense of the whole transaction
taking unbounded time. The final compare/write/retry must
be atomic and is therefore protected by a mutex under the hood.

Sebastian Egner said in another post the main advantage
of STMs: they have a combinator form, that is, they
can be composed.

However, despite the lack of safety in a bolt on 
addition for Ocaml .. the real problem is that STM
isn't that useful unless you have 

(a) a lot of processors
(b) a lot of variables

so that the risk of contention is low and the cost
of long exclusions is high. Ocaml fails to satisfy
property (a) since it doesn't support multi-processing.

-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sourceforge dot net>
Async PL, Realtime software consultants
Checkout Felix: http://felix.sourceforge.net


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-07 17:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 16:18 Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-07 16:50 ` [Caml-list] " Sebastian Egner
2006-03-07 17:44   ` Michael Hicks
2006-03-08  0:37     ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08  5:05       ` Erick Tryzelaar
2006-03-11 19:43     ` Deadlock free locking scheme (was: Re: [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml) David MENTRE
2006-03-07 17:15 ` skaller [this message]
2006-03-07 19:05   ` [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08  0:52     ` skaller
2006-03-08  7:08       ` Bardur Arantsson
2006-03-08 10:38       ` [Caml-list] " Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08 19:36       ` William Lovas
2006-03-08 20:45         ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 21:14           ` Paul Snively
2006-03-08 22:06           ` skaller
2006-03-08 22:10             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2006-03-08 23:48               ` skaller
2006-03-09  7:45               ` Andrae Muys
2006-03-09  9:18                 ` David Brown
2006-03-08 22:11             ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 23:05               ` Lodewijk Vöge
2006-03-09  3:13                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 23:45               ` Robert Roessler
2006-03-09  0:23               ` skaller
2006-03-09  3:19                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-09  4:32                   ` skaller
2006-03-09 10:38                     ` John Chu
2006-03-09 16:53                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-03-11 15:26             ` [Caml-list] " Florian Weimer
2006-03-08 10:11 yoann padioleau
2006-03-08 10:41 ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08 12:23   ` skaller
2006-03-08 23:02     ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-09  0:36       ` skaller
2006-03-08 11:32 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2006-03-08 12:04   ` skaller
2006-03-08 19:22     ` Dan Grossman
2006-03-08 22:10       ` skaller

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