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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@spnz.org>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr, William Lovas <wlovas@stwing.upenn.edu>
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 11:23:27 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1141863807.23909.151.camel@budgie.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0603081555040.9569@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2006-03-08 at 16:11 -0600, Brian Hurt wrote:

> As to the cache comment: the whole caches don't have to be flushed, just 
> the line the mutex is on. 

Unfortunately that isn't correct ;( Consider:

	lock mutex

	read some data
	write back that data

	unlock mutex

The problem with two threads is that 'some data' has to
be invalidated too. Otherwise there
is no way existing Posix software would work on a
multi-processor.

I couldn't believe it! That's why we tried the experiment:
did the OS really invalidate the 'whole' caches, or did our
trivial increment program fail, because the memory being
incremented wasn't coherent?

Either answer is BAD: its a lose/lose situation. The result
is -- we got the right answers and the 15x slowdown which indicates
that yes, really the whole** cache on both processors is
being invalidated every mutex lock/unlock.

Interestingly .. it should work much better with a pure FPL,
there's nothing to synchronise unless the compiler did some
nasty optimisations like reusing a closure for self-tail-rec
functions, in which case the compiler could tell the OS
which store is dirty. I wouldn't expect that to work
with a C program though :)

-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sourceforge dot net>
Async PL, Realtime software consultants
Checkout Felix: http://felix.sourceforge.net


  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-03-08 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 16:18 Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-07 16:50 ` [Caml-list] " Sebastian Egner
2006-03-07 17:44   ` Michael Hicks
2006-03-08  0:37     ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08  5:05       ` Erick Tryzelaar
2006-03-11 19:43     ` Deadlock free locking scheme (was: Re: [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml) David MENTRE
2006-03-07 17:15 ` [Caml-list] STM support in OCaml skaller
2006-03-07 19:05   ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08  0:52     ` skaller
2006-03-08  7:08       ` Bardur Arantsson
2006-03-08 10:38       ` [Caml-list] " Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08 19:36       ` William Lovas
2006-03-08 20:45         ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 21:14           ` Paul Snively
2006-03-08 22:06           ` skaller
2006-03-08 22:10             ` Gerd Stolpmann
2006-03-08 23:48               ` skaller
2006-03-09  7:45               ` Andrae Muys
2006-03-09  9:18                 ` David Brown
2006-03-08 22:11             ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 23:05               ` Lodewijk Vöge
2006-03-09  3:13                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-08 23:45               ` Robert Roessler
2006-03-09  0:23               ` skaller [this message]
2006-03-09  3:19                 ` Brian Hurt
2006-03-09  4:32                   ` skaller
2006-03-09 10:38                     ` John Chu
2006-03-09 16:53                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-03-11 15:26             ` [Caml-list] " Florian Weimer
2006-03-08 10:11 yoann padioleau
2006-03-08 10:41 ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-08 12:23   ` skaller
2006-03-08 23:02     ` Asfand Yar Qazi
2006-03-09  0:36       ` skaller
2006-03-08 11:32 ` Gerd Stolpmann
2006-03-08 12:04   ` skaller
2006-03-08 19:22     ` Dan Grossman
2006-03-08 22:10       ` skaller

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