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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: "Daniel Bünzli" <daniel.buenzli@epfl.ch>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: strong/weak typing terminology (was Re: [Caml-list] Scripting	in ocaml)
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 06:42:02 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1166816522.7448.45.camel@rosella.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4E1EAAC5-DC08-4A55-9AEB-0D5D3BE1C0EA@epfl.ch>

On Fri, 2006-12-22 at 19:47 +0100, Daniel Bünzli wrote:
> Le 22 déc. 06 à 19:16, skaller a écrit :
> 
> > It is also unclear what you mean by 'unsafe'.
> >
> > Ocaml is not safe:
> >
> > 	let a = Array.create 0 0 in
> > 	let y = a.[99] in (* WOOPS *)
> >
> > The fact that an exception is thrown may or may not
> > make the language safe depending on whether or not
> > you INTEND to trigger an exception. The best you can
> > say is that if you don't catch it, its a bug.
> 
> I'm sorry I don't follow you. \x13This would be an example of safety \x13 
> according to the definition I gave. Ocaml protects its array  
> abstraction -- which allows to look at a bounded piece of memory as a  
> finite array of values of a certain type --\x13 by raising \x13an exception  
> if you try to access out of the bounds of the memory instead of  
> silently \x13running the program with the arbitrary data it got by  
> reading out of bounds.

This is not my understanding of what safe means.

Your program is safe? Ok, so would you use it to
control a nuclear reactor? Do you really think anyone
cares if the reactor blows, whether the program
core dumped, failed to core dump, or threw an exception?

to me safe means 'cannot fail'. But perhaps i misunderstand:
it would be interesting to see another definition.


-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net>
Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net


  reply	other threads:[~2006-12-22 19:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-12-21  3:41 Scripting in ocaml Denis Bueno
2006-12-21  4:34 ` [Caml-list] " Erik de Castro Lopo
2006-12-21  7:22   ` skaller
2006-12-21  9:12     ` Till Varoquaux
2006-12-21  9:18     ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 10:29       ` skaller
2006-12-21 20:21         ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 13:30     ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 13:52       ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59         ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 20:25           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 20:41             ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-21 22:16               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:21                 ` strong/weak typing terminology (was Re: [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml) Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 16:51                   ` Tom
2006-12-22 17:34                     ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 18:16                     ` skaller
2006-12-22 18:47                       ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-22 19:42                         ` skaller [this message]
2006-12-22 20:03                           ` David Brown
2006-12-22 20:17                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23  3:48                               ` skaller
2006-12-23  4:11                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:19                           ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 12:58                           ` Daniel Bünzli
2006-12-23 16:06                             ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-23 21:50                               ` Tom
2006-12-26  6:10                                 ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 20:14                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 21:11             ` [Caml-list] Scripting in ocaml Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-21 21:27               ` Philippe Wang
2006-12-21 22:06                 ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-22 12:35                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-21 22:19               ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22 12:37                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 18:52                   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-22  2:51               ` skaller
2006-12-22 15:20                 ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-22 11:32               ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-23 18:50           ` Jon Harrop
2006-12-24  0:15             ` Serge Aleynikov
2006-12-24  3:30             ` skaller
2006-12-21 14:59 ` Richard Jones
2006-12-21 20:27   ` Chad Perrin
2006-12-21 23:35   ` Martin Jambon
2006-12-26 17:14 ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-26 23:36   ` Ian Zimmerman
2006-12-27 18:25     ` Aleksey Nogin
2006-12-27 18:39       ` Richard Jones
2006-12-27 19:20         ` Aleksey Nogin

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