caml-list - the Caml user's mailing list
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Edgar Friendly <thelema314@gmail.com>
Cc: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 17:51:45 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1168930305.5513.27.camel@rosella.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45AC60CB.4070408@gmail.com>

On Mon, 2007-01-15 at 23:21 -0600, Edgar Friendly wrote:
> Richard Jones wrote:

> No, I want to make the following code legal:
> 
> if y = 1 then
> 	print_int y;
> 	print_int z;
> else
> 	print_string "not one"
> 
> 
> It's just an unnecessary stumbling block for programmers coming from
> other languages.

So is your syntax:

	if cond1 then e1 
	elif cond2 then e2
	..
	else el 
	endif

is THE correct, unambiguous, formulation, and what Felix uses <g>.
For procedural code:

	if cond do ..
	elif ..
	..
	else ..
	done


These forms were decided by Wirth after the Pascal ambiguities,
and his next attempt, Modula, uses them.

Felix also uses

	match .. with .. endmatch

but strangely has an open

	let .. in ...

whereas Standard ML uses

	let .. in .. end

Ocaml uses a closed form here:

	for .. do .. done


Felix, like C++, also has ; as a statement terminator
not a separator. Research was done on this (no I can't
cite it). Terminators are known to be better :)

Closed forms are precedence free, allow an unambiguous
grammar, and support easy cut and paste: all in all,
these syntaxen obey an important rule: the substitution
principle.

However, they lead to excess terminators, and so most languages
close some forms and leave others open.  IMHO Ocaml leaves
too many open, but this is just a minor taste issue: what
really interested me is the semantics.

BTW: Python solves the excess terminator problem by using indentation,
which is generally quite nice, IMHO, though it makes code containing
long quoted strings very ugly.

-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net>
Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-01-16  6:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-13  5:37 Edgar Friendly
2007-01-13  5:56 ` [Caml-list] " Tom
2007-01-14 17:35   ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 17:59     ` ketty
2007-01-14 18:21       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:29         ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-13  7:41 ` David Baelde
2007-01-13  9:31   ` ketty
2007-01-14 17:33   ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:23     ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-14 18:41       ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-14 20:49         ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-14 23:38           ` Gabriel Kerneis
2007-01-15  0:55             ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15  6:12               ` skaller
2007-01-15  0:05           ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15  5:59             ` skaller
2007-01-15 20:23             ` Martin Jambon
2007-01-15 21:30               ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15 22:13                 ` Try finally (was Re: [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features) Daniel Bünzli
2007-01-15 22:27                   ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 22:40                     ` Quôc Peyrot
2007-01-15 23:08                       ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15 22:17               ` [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16  1:18                 ` skaller
2007-01-16  2:11                   ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16  5:18                     ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16  6:36                       ` skaller
2007-01-16  6:33                     ` skaller
2007-01-16 13:55                     ` Brian Hurt
2007-01-16  9:00                   ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16 14:14                     ` skaller
2007-01-16 15:00                       ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16 17:47                         ` skaller
2007-01-16 19:24                           ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-17  3:28                             ` skaller
2007-01-17 11:41                               ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-17 12:53                                 ` Olivier Andrieu
2007-01-17 13:18                                   ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-17 14:09                                 ` skaller
2007-01-16 19:42                           ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16 21:15                             ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-17  3:46                             ` skaller
2007-01-17 11:50                               ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-15  5:56           ` skaller
2007-01-15  9:35         ` Nicolas Pouillard
2007-01-15 18:28           ` Martin Jambon
2007-01-15 19:02             ` ls-ocaml-developer-2006
2007-01-14 19:01       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-14 18:51     ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-14 20:49       ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-15  0:19         ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-20 19:19           ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-20 21:40             ` skaller
2007-01-14 21:47     ` Tom
2007-01-15 10:36 ` Richard Jones
2007-01-15 14:24   ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-16  8:45     ` Hendrik Tews
2007-01-16  9:08       ` Vincent Hanquez
2007-01-21 17:07         ` [Caml-list] native-code stack backtraces (was: Ocaml compiler features) Xavier Leroy
2007-01-21 18:53           ` Pierre Etchemaïté
2007-01-16  5:21   ` [Caml-list] Ocaml compiler features Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16  5:33     ` ketty
2007-01-16  6:00       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16  6:10         ` ketty
2007-01-16  5:55     ` Christophe TROESTLER
2007-01-16 17:51       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-16 19:09         ` Jon Harrop
2007-01-16 19:21         ` Brian Hurt
2007-01-16 20:06         ` Jonathan Roewen
2007-01-16 20:13         ` Florian Weimer
2007-01-16  6:51     ` skaller [this message]
2007-01-16 18:01       ` Edgar Friendly
2007-01-17  2:23         ` skaller
2007-01-16  8:00   ` Florian Hars

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=1168930305.5513.27.camel@rosella.wigram \
    --to=skaller@users.sourceforge.net \
    --cc=caml-list@yquem.inria.fr \
    --cc=thelema314@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).