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From: skaller <skaller@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Brian Hurt <bhurt@janestcapital.com>
Cc: Till Varoquaux <till.varoquaux@gmail.com>, caml-list@yquem.inria.fr
Subject: Re: [Caml-list] Operator overloading
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:23:24 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1173497004.14315.65.camel@rosella.wigram> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <45F18511.9060904@janestcapital.com>

On Fri, 2007-03-09 at 11:02 -0500, Brian Hurt wrote:

> considering wether to add a feature to a language, you have to consider 
> *BOTH* the valid uses of that feature *AND* the probable ways the 
> feature will be misused and the problems it will cause.  You don't get 
> to ignore the downsides.  Because, if you do, then there's no real 
> reason why introducing pointer arithmetic into Ocaml is not a good idea.

Actually, using your criteria, it might a good idea IF it is possible
to limit abuse in a way compatible with Ocaml philosophy. For example
if you could ensure pointers always remained in bounds, or at least
threw an exception when an out of bound dereference occurred.

The latter seems acceptable because it is already what happens
with an out of bounds access to an array.

Array pointers seem easy to represent .. it's just a pair

	'a Array.t * int

Offset addition is statically safe, so you can throw that in too.
That can be implemented with composition of closures which access
record fields.

However it isn't clear any of this is worth it: pointer arithmetic
is used in C because it is fast, in Ocaml it probably wouldn't be,
an other techniques would provide the same functionality.

-- 
John Skaller <skaller at users dot sf dot net>
Felix, successor to C++: http://felix.sf.net


  reply	other threads:[~2007-03-10  3:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-08 20:02 Robert Fischer
2007-03-08 20:15 ` Michael Hicks
2007-03-08 20:50   ` Brian Hurt
2007-03-08 21:05 ` Tom
2007-03-08 21:31   ` Brian Hurt
2007-03-08 22:09     ` Michael Vanier
2007-03-08 22:34     ` Till Varoquaux
2007-03-09 16:02       ` Brian Hurt
2007-03-10  3:23         ` skaller [this message]
2007-03-08 22:14   ` Ian Zimmerman
2007-03-09 10:29     ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-09 16:28       ` Ian Zimmerman
2007-03-08 23:51 ` skaller
2007-03-09  7:23   ` Tom
2007-03-09  9:24     ` skaller
2007-03-09  9:32       ` Tom
2007-03-09 10:00         ` skaller
2007-03-09 10:14         ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-09 10:38   ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-09 10:20 ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-09 12:08 ` Andrej Bauer
2007-03-09 12:48   ` Jacques Carette
2007-03-09 13:24   ` Andreas Rossberg
2007-03-10  5:08   ` Daniel Andor
2007-03-10  5:33     ` David Thomas
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2007-03-09 16:40 Robert Fischer
2007-03-09 17:25 ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-09  7:36 oleg
2007-03-09 11:09 ` [Caml-list] " skaller
2007-03-09 13:52   ` Andreas Rossberg
2007-03-09 15:07     ` skaller
2007-03-09 16:28       ` Andreas Rossberg
2007-03-10  3:13         ` skaller
2007-03-08 23:20 Robert Fischer
2007-03-09 10:31 ` Jon Harrop
2007-03-08 14:41 [Caml-list] F# Robert Fischer
2007-03-08 17:30 ` Roland Zumkeller
2007-03-08 17:54   ` Brian Hurt
2007-03-08 19:40     ` [Caml-list] Operator overloading Jon Harrop
2007-03-08 20:44       ` Brian Hurt
2007-03-08 22:24       ` Fernando Alegre
2002-04-15 17:05 [Caml-list] operator overloading Issac Trotts
2002-04-14  4:15 Issac Trotts
2002-04-13  8:43 forsyth
2002-04-13  5:26 Issac Trotts
2002-04-13  1:32 Gurr, David (MED, self)
2002-04-12 19:08 Issac Trotts
2002-04-13  8:48 ` William Chesters
2002-04-13 13:58   ` Brian Rogoff
2002-04-13 15:31     ` William Chesters
2002-04-14  3:10       ` Brian Rogoff
2002-04-13  9:00 ` Daniel de Rauglaudre
2002-04-13 21:35 ` Johan Georg Granström
2002-04-14  1:50   ` Jacques Garrigue
2002-04-15 16:22 ` Jun P.FURUSE

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