From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on yquem.inria.fr X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO,SPF_SOFTFAIL autolearn=disabled version=3.1.3 X-Original-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Delivered-To: caml-list@yquem.inria.fr Received: from mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail4-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.105]) by yquem.inria.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D71BBBAF for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:45:11 +0200 (CEST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aj8GAPC4ikjAXQInYWdsb2JhbACITokFWhcXBQYGFJsz X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,255,1215381600"; d="scan'208";a="27701986" Received: from concorde.inria.fr ([192.93.2.39]) by mail4-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP; 26 Jul 2008 14:45:10 +0200 Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) by concorde.inria.fr (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id m6QCj9hh004571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 14:45:10 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhEHAKO5ikjAI/YN/2dsb2JhbACITokFWpwC X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,255,1215381600"; d="scan'208";a="15481662" Received: from pepe.inescn.pt ([192.35.246.13]) by mail3-smtp-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 26 Jul 2008 14:44:50 +0200 Received: from localhost (pepe.inescn.pt [127.0.0.1]) by pepe.inescn.pt (8.13.8/8.13.8/5) with ESMTP id m6QCinr2006693 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:44:49 +0100 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at inescporto.pt Received: from pepe.inescn.pt ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (pepe.inescn.pt [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 503AvAmdtEax for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:44:30 +0100 (WEST) Received: from localhost (ns.inescn.pt [192.35.246.1]) by pepe.inescn.pt (8.13.8/8.13.8/43) with ESMTP id m6QCiPKA006685 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:44:25 +0100 Received: from 136.249.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt (136.249.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt [77.54.249.136]) by webmail.inescporto.pt (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <1217076265.488b1c2947728@webmail.inescporto.pt> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:44:25 +0100 From: hmf@inescporto.pt To: caml-list@inria.fr Subject: Re: [Caml-list] New Ocaml Plug-in for NetBeans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2.3 X-Originating-IP: 77.54.249.136 X-Miltered: at concorde with ID 488B1C55.000 by Joe's j-chkmail (http://j-chkmail . ensmp . fr)! X-Spam: no; 0.00; ocaml:01 ocaml:01 plug-in:98 wrote:01 wrote:01 exception:01 caml-list:01 ides:02 ides:02 erik:04 2005.:95 guess:04 guess:04 barrier:05 written:07 Erik de Castro Lopo wrote: > hmf@inescporto.pt wrote: > > >> What I say here also goes for Richard. I am aware that a lot of time >> has gone into learning these tools (20 years!). I am just saying that to >> use IDEs also requires effort. > > I spent 35+ hours/week for 6 months on VS2005. Is that not enough > time to learn it? > I guess it is. >> Granted. But I am defending lowering the barrier for Ocaml use. > > If you are advocating IDE use for the purposes of making Ocaml > easier for newcomers then you are in a bit of a bind. The > people who need the IDE are the newcomers who are not capable > of writing one and the ones with sufficient experience to write > an Ocaml IDE are happy with what they have and are therefore > not interested in writing one Exactly! This is the reason why I sent the e-mail to this list in the first place. No IDE will be useful unless seasoned users are prepared to contribute to it. > (with the possible exception of > Jon Harrop). > Because he also thinks that such IDEs makes his life easier. I guess if the IDE was written in OCaml he would be an active contributor. :-)