A little thing that I do not understand. Why the wikipedia page is not written by the ocaml's team ? An encyclopedia has to been written by "expert" and in the wiki idea with the help and the comments of the communauty... and a link (just one) to the ffconsultancy.com is not problem is there are many other links even it is a firm. But other links to other compagnies should also added? Why not in the rubric application, a sub-case "firm using ocaml" (that develop special applications with ocaml). And why, in this page, there are so little links to applications in ocaml. For example, the soft http://www.astree.ens.fr/ which is develop by academics people and using by a firm ?

> Message du 06/11/05 20:39
> De : "Thomas Fischbacher"
> A : "Jon Harrop"
> Copie à : caml-list@inria.fr
> Objet : Re: [Caml-list] Wikipedia
>
>
> On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, Jon Harrop wrote:
>
> ...and once again, it may be interesting to see a bit more context.
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocaml
> >
> > The page gets a lot of hits and is, most likely, the first port of call by
> > many people when trying to learn about OCaml.
> >
> > Unfortunately, the quality of this page is substantially worse than that of
> > the equivalent pages on SML, Haskell and so on. I have tried to improve the
> > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to
> > admim by an anonymous, German-speaking, OCaml-using physicist with the IRC
> > nic "tf" and all of my corrections were removed by Mike Lin. My code examples
> > remain though.
>
> On Oct 26, 19:10, I put a note into the "talk" section of the OCaml
> wikipedia article, pointing out that it contained an excessively large
> amount of links to ffconsultancy.com, which were indeed entered by Jon
> Harrop, by now infamous also on Usenet.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:O%27Caml_programming_language&oldid=26550471
>
> To give an excerpt from the article as it was at that time:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ocaml&oldid=26478312
>
> Please note the number of ffconsultancy.com links:
>
> ====>
>

> Fun:

>

>
• Several > href="/wiki/International_Conference_on_Functional_Programming_Contest"
  > title="International Conference on Functional Programming
  > Contest">International Conference on Functional Programming Contest
  > winners

>
>
• A 2D maze
  > generator

>
• > class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/free/ray
  > tracer/">A mini ray tracer

>
• > href="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/visualisation/"
  > class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml
  > for scientists/visualisation/">Graphical examples from a book on OCaml for
  > scientists

>
• > class='external text'
  > title="http://handhelds.freshmeat.net/projects/planets/">Gravity
  > simulator

>

>

> Education:

>

>
• > title="http://home.gna.org/geocaml/">Drgeocaml, a dynamic geometry
  > software

>

>

> Scientific:

>
>

>
• > href="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml_for_scientists/complete/"
  > class='external text' title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/ocaml
  > for scientists/complete/">Examples from a book on OCaml for
  > scientists

>

>

> Commercial:

>

>
• > class='external text'
  > title="http://www.ffconsultancy.com/products/presenta">Presenta
  > technical presentation software

>

>

> Engineering:

>

>
• > title="http://www.confluent.org">Confluence is a language for
  > synchronous reactive system design. A Confluence program can generate
  > digital logic for an FPGA or ASIC platform, or C code for hard real-time
  > software.

>
>

> <====
>
> This was the state of the article when I put that comment into the
> discussion section. I did not re-enter that discussion from then on, so
> when Jon says:
>
> > I have tried to improve the
> > page myself but most of my links have been removed following complaints to
> > admim by (...) tf
>
> his "improvements" which were removed following my "complaints" can only
> refer to his act of Wikipedia vandalism (as I would call it), putting
> excessive link spam (see above) into the article.
>
>
> Let's face it: if one takes Google rank as a a rough first measure of
> relevance (in the sense of "how much do people talk about it") in the
> non-academic world, in a search for "OCaml", none of Jon's material
> (despite all his efforts) is in the top 10 (note: google searches may
> depend on region/country), a link to his book is #17, and not one further
> single ffconsultancy link is among the top 50.
>
> So, if a single individual makes about half of all the external links in a
> Wikipedia page point to an irrelevant, obscure web site of his own(!),
> that hardly can be considered an "improvement", can it?
>
> But unfortunately, such distorted view and presentation of reality seems
> to be not too uncommon in Jon's writings.
>
>
> --
> regards, tf@cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de (o_
> Thomas Fischbacher - http://www.cip.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~tf //\
> (lambda (n) ((lambda (p q r) (p p q r)) (lambda (g x y) V_/_
> (if (= x 0) y (g g (- x 1) (* x y)))) n 1)) (Debian GNU)
>
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